Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by savage22, Jan 23, 2011.
Well...........I do like to keep it simple, but being somewhat simple I need it explained to me.
For me it's easy as a handloader.
XD/XDm No Ka-Booms
We had a report just a couple of days ago of a Ka-Boom event with a newer generation Glock 22 here on the forum. For those that are in denial.
Has Glock started relieving ejection ports yet? A simple machining step that allows your cases to eject cleanly instead of striking the ejection port and coming out with a triangular scar. Glock really doesn't want you shooting reloads in your pistol and these are just a couple of reasons why.
I'll stack my XDm .45 against a G-21 any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
Yet I just went to range today and shot 200 rounds through my Glock 27
....without a single kaboom!!!!!
And then I switched barrels and fired another 100 rounds of .357Sig through my pistol....
Again, without a single kaboom!!!!
The brass ejects just fine and doesn't hit me in the face.
What more could I ask for?
I have only fired a glock 9 mm, never owned. I liked it just fine, but didn't love it. I have an XD 45, and absolutely love it.
With factory ammo? Ka-Booms come from a reloaded Glock case that was bulged on the first firing then reloaded to have the previously bulged area of the case end up over the feedramp where Glocks don't adequately support the casehead.
Reaper, a double charge will do that to any pistol. A double charge is irresponsible reloading and differs greatly from a Ka-Boom event. You don't state what caused the damage to that XDm but I'd be willing to bet you it was from a double charge of fast burning powder and not a Ka-Boom event.
XD for me, because I prefer it and shoot better with it.
Correct. Find one example of a Glock experiencing a catastrophic malfunction with in spec factory ammunition.
Of course they do. Glock case head support is the defacto standard. By definition, they have adequate case head support. Imagine Federal trying to sell ammo "for all firearms, except Glock." If ammo makers want to stay in business, they will make their ammo work in a Glock. Same deal for reloaders. Reloads can be made to work in all Glocks with some common sense, although I would keep the loads light with an early .40 or 10mm barrel.
Aside from case head support, the other issue that causes case head bulges is early release of the slide/barrel lockup. This is how you get brass with guppie bellies that start way up on the brass, close to the mouth. Glocks have a good design, in this regard. Many rounds of +P+ subgun ammo have been fired out of 9mm Glocks. And there are .45 Super shooters who use Glock 21's with a simple spring swap.
Well, I went to the range, yesterday, and shot 200 reloads out of my G27 without a single kaboom.* And I think I was lucky, because a lot of the brass was crazy bulged... before I sized it. 'Course it looks like new coming out of my Glock.
*Artistic liberties taken. No, it wasn't yesterday. But it was ~200 rounds over the last month or so. I also have noticed that my G27 has more chamber support than pictures of G22 barrels I've seen on the web. It looks like the G22 might be cut differently from the G27/23.
I can provide the link if it's necessary for you to get it. I'm talking about Glocks chambered for the .40 S&W and no they do not support the casehead as well as an XD/XDm. If you own one stick to factory ammo and forget about using your cast handloads in any chambering unless you're into spray and pray.
I've shot Glock pistols for years and have yet to have one blow up in my hand.
I'm not deterred by these "kaboom" stories.
Glock is a bedside gun in my home, if a burgalar/slasher was to break into my occupied home and he had any hopes and dreams on my gun blowing up in my hand when confronted, he would soon find himself in a regrettable situation, as I imagine my Glock would perform flawlessly, as always.
I guess if I'm ever doing some high volume shooting with some sketchy reloads and my Glock blows up, well then I guess it'd be about time to buy a new Glock.
Here's the link. Pistol was a gen 3 Glock 22:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=567184
One thing he noticed was that there was still a visible bulge left after resizing his rounds. That sounds a bit sketchy. It could lead to firing while slightly out of battery. I wonder if he was using a chamber check or a cartridge gauge on his reloads.
Ok. So what's the summary should one buy the G27, the XD-sub compact, or the XDM-subcompact in .40
G27 has the shortest height by 1/2 inch so more comfortable for CCW? The XD is cheaper than the XDM. That's always good. The XDM holds 2 more rounds in the standard configuration (11 rounds of .40) So more firepower.
Plus the XD and XDM come with the striker indicator and loaded chamber indicator all nice little additions. Plus the XDM has the all purpose rail.
Based on this particular forum though I really don't know if any of them are better because obviously they all shoot well. So it would appear that the message is what, I ask?
Just noticed earlier over at XDTalk that SA has announced that the XDm Compact in .40 S&W is NOW SHIPPING. Haven't seen what the compact magazine capacity will be but it will com with a 16 round mag and grip extension that will effectively make it a XDm 3.8 with a fullsize grip. Essentially giving you two guns in one. In the compact configuration it will be very close to the G-27 with a little longer barrel.
I sold all my Glocks after shooting my XD... Period
It is 11 + 1 for the compact mag and 16 + 1 with extended mag Go to:
Thanks for the link, kev.
sure, no problem!
I have both and like them the same, i can shoot them about the same, the only one i consider a "favorite" is my G26 because it conceals the best.
Polymer guns in general feel top heavy, but the XD feels most top heavy of all. That is one thing that turned me off to them.
The empty ones! And if you're having trouble making an empty gun fire, I might be able to help you figure out why it won't work. :'P
I think even the loaded ones feel top heavy sometimes. Especially in 9mm, with it's light ammo.
Not sure why the empty ones won't fire though.
Glock vs. XD
For me, I like the G26 a lot better than the subcompact XDs just because of the feel of them. But, I like the feel of my XDm better than a Glock 17. I've never had a problem with either my Glock 26 or Springfield XDm.
I will say, though, that the Glock internals seem to be easier to clean. And I wish I could get a 33 round mag for my XDm just for fun.
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