XD Melonite vs. Glock Tenifer.

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<what made him think it would be orange?>

He thought melonite would be melon-colored. Many melons, like cantaloupes. are orange when you cut them open.

Bill
 
mastinson,

According to Durferrit, the manufacture, it is the same, just under a alternate trade name.


http://www.durferrit.com/en/unternehmen/firmengeschichte.htm

To meet the growing needs with regard to wear and corrosion resistance, as well as the enhancement of the fatigue strength, great efforts were devoted to the development and launching of the TENIFER® process, which is also known worldwide under the trade names of TUFFTRIDE® and MELONITE®.
 
From what I understand - Teniffer can't be applied in the US because the EPA won't allow it.

I was a project manager for a manufacturing facility - and we wanted "tennifer" like qualities applied to some steel parts - and after tracking down the facilities in Europe that apply the tennifer finish (it is not a Glock exclusive) - those companies told us they couldn't set up shop in the US because the EPA wouldn't allow the teniffer process to be done here.

Sources http://www.finishing.com/324/69.shtml



Like I said guys they may have been developed by the same company but they are not exactly the same process, different chemicals are used in the melonite finish so it can be done in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!




Every gun company and their brother has tried to copy everything about Glock handguns including the finish, Glock must have done something right. ;)
 
Say it ain't so!...the XD and M&P have the same finish as Glock?
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Why does that suprise you they tried to copy everything from them including the finish. Like I said if melonite was the same as tenifer it would be called tenifer, Also tenifer can't be done in the USA and Melonite can. Also Tenifer is done on Walthers and Glocks so it can't have anything to do with a copyright deal with the Tenifer name.;)
 
Well lets see, trigger safety, polymer frame and the frame even has the thumb indentions identical to Glock frame, now they are even trying to copy the finish. Every gun maker and their brother has been trying to get rich off Glocks design and S&W even got their butts sued, to bad all the other company's did not get the same treatment. I mean their is not anyone that knows anything about guns that can say that Glock has not revolutionized the handgun market.
 
So did Glock just copy the HK VP70?

I understand you are a huge fan of Glock, I personally have nothing against them except that they don't naturally point for me.

The entirety of technology is based on the basic improvement of techniques over time and I would personally say that the XD is the next step.

I like the grip angle, the grip safety, the loaded chamber indicator, fully supported chamber, lead compatible rifling and the striker indicator.

If Glock comes out with the next incremental improvement in firearms I will probably purchase one from them.

It just doesn't seem to be a bad thing when us humans take other ideas to create something new and in my mind better.

As for the finish, they had a serious problem with it and they improved their product using a proven and common industrial process. Still whats the problem with that?
 
Back on subject.

:confused: This is not really a Glock vs. XD thread so much as it is a finish vs. finish only thread. Nobody has commented on how the melonite wears in comparison with the tenifer. The question was really about the finishes, nothing more, nothing less. Who cares about what processes can be legally performed in the U.S, or Croatia or Timbuktu for that matter :rolleyes: .


P.S - not to be rude, but I really like both formats. The only thing my next purchase depends on are the finishes. I have Glocks, they are proven to me. The question is about the XD-45's finish.
 
I'm too thinking seriously about getting an XD 45, now that they fixed the issue i had with the regular finish it's worth looking again at XD's. Too bad the Glock 21 feels like a 2x4
 
Nobody has commented on how the melonite wears in comparison with the tenifer.
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I think the chemical company who makes both finishes saying they're the same thing on their website is evidence that there's no difference in them.
 
The Jury Is Still Out

Glock's finish is probably still superior in my way of think'in; but the new
Springfield Armory MELONITE finish should hold up reasonably well~? I
think its far too early to make a definite determination as to whether
of not this is actual facts.:scrutiny: :) :eek:
 
ugaarguy don't you know that they aren't telling us the truth. mastinson says so. So if Tennifer and Melonite are not the same thing then thats one less design that they stole frome Glock.:)
 
So far Melonite holds up just as well:neener: (not to bring up old posts, but its been a good trial period) Ive had the melonite for 3 years, rain, snow, fell in a puddle of road salted water in winter once:fire:, and not a single spot. Still looks like a new gun. Ide say they are EXACTLY as good as the other.
 
can't say the same...had a G19 for a few months and it didn't show any wear...my XDM shows already wear on the edges and it's only 2 weeks old.
 
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This is not really a Glock vs. XD thread so much as it is a finish vs. finish only thread.
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And if we're strictly talking melonite vs. tennifer (as said they are effectively the same hardening process), it's not even a finsih vs. finish thread, because the actual exterior finish of a GLOCK is not tennifer (I.E. if you remove the black finish, the underlying steel remains as hardened and corrosion resist from the tennifer). Either Melonite or Tennifer will be bombproof as far as staining etc- but if you seek the toughest finish (I.E. holster wear, scratches etc), you will not find anything tougher than what the black GLOCK finishes their slides in. The slide on my GLOCK still looks perfect, while my Sig & H.K. (Nitron & H.E. respectively) are newer but don't look it.

O.T.O.H. I would not let that make your decision, because both X.D. and GLOCK are stong in this regard. J.M.O.
 
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You can get different results with EITHER process depending on the duration of the treatment, the treatment bath composition, the temperature of the treatment bath and the particular steel alloy being treated.

http://www.burlingtoneng.com/wear_resistance.html
(Melonite creates...) "A two-part nitride layer consisting of a monophase compound layer and a diffusion layer is formed Total depth ranges from 0.008-0.040", depending on the composition of the base material and treating time. Hardness in the compound layer ranges from approximately HV 700 on alloyed steels to about HV 1600 on high chromium steels. "​

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...dness+depth+duration&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

"In addition to the treatment (Tufftride/Tenifer) parameters (temperature,duration, bath composition), the levels of carbon and alloying elements in the materials to be treated influence the thickness of layer obtainable. Although the growth of the layer is lower the higher the content of alloy, the hardness however increases to an equal extent."​

This is a useless debate. Unless you know the specific steel alloy being treated and the treatment parameters you can't even compare Tenifer to Tenifer and expect to get a useful answer. By the way, the above is the result of 5 to 10 minutes of internet search.

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LOL! :evil:
 
If it was an XD vs Glock debate, I have both. I like both, but XD has the edge for me. I have 1 XD and 2 XDMs, the 9mm and 40 cal. WAY more comfortable gun in my hand. The only reason I bought the glock was because there wasnt an XD 10mm:cuss:
 
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