Howland937
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Have a chance to trade and not have much in this thing. Just don't know exactly what it is and the owner isn't sure either. All i know is its 9mm and has 2 mags. Help is appreciated. TIA
Which is it? (Yes, it IS a 469)
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nettlle
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What do the markings on the slide and frame read?
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Appears to have Smith & Wesson marked on the slide and double stack mags.
Model 6904? https://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Smith-Wesson/Pistol/6904/9-mm/Variant-1
Model 6904? https://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Smith-Wesson/Pistol/6904/9-mm/Variant-1
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Howland937
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Oh, yeah...the S&W part was a given. The guy couldn't find a model # anywhere and that was the pic he sent. I just knew it wasn't the SD9VE...which was all that really mattered to me.
He did say it's an aluminum frame, so a really rough 6904 is a possibility.
He did say it's an aluminum frame, so a really rough 6904 is a possibility.
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NIGHTLORD40K
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Its a 2nd Gen 469- the model number is right below the slide stop lever.
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Great little gun. I much prefer them to the 3rd Gens because they have a full metal backstrap rather than the problematic wraparound plastic grip module.
Mags can be hard to find and pricey, otherwise they are GTG.
Edit- now that I mull it over, some of the compacts had an aluminum backstrap and some were Delrin. The full-size 2nd Gens all used aluminum, IIRC. Either way, better than the 3rd Gen, IMO.
Mags can be hard to find and pricey, otherwise they are GTG.
Edit- now that I mull it over, some of the compacts had an aluminum backstrap and some were Delrin. The full-size 2nd Gens all used aluminum, IIRC. Either way, better than the 3rd Gen, IMO.
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Howland937
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Sweet. But you can't possibly tell me you saw that in the pic lol
It's got to be worth the trade anyway, but are 2nd gen Smiths worth anything in that kinda shape?
NIGHTLORD40K
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I had one, recognized it. You can also tell its only 3 digits to the model number, even if a bit too blurry to read them.
NIGHTLORD40K
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the appearance, they are pretty much bulletproof. The only other issue I remember about them is some folks reported excessive galling on the frame rails. If the fella that has it is competent to take the slide off and snap a better pic of the rails, that should seal the deal- assuming they are ok.
I dont know what the going rate for clean examples is now- I very rarely see them at local shows or shops anymore. With 2 factory mags that one would be worth $5-550 to me.
I dont know what the going rate for clean examples is now- I very rarely see them at local shows or shops anymore. With 2 factory mags that one would be worth $5-550 to me.
Bazoo
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Awesome. Those are darn good guns, I even love the 3rd gens with the plastic grip/back strap. Around here, I'm not sure what they run, but I know that you never see one. If the store gets them, they are gone fast.
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I carry my 469 still quite often. So here are some fun facts.
The 469 was the first factory compact Wonder 9.
S&W 59 magazines fit with a spacer butt plate.
The basic ergonomics from the 39, 59 and 469 are still the same ones in the current Shield and M&P pistols.
Here is my Shield 2.0 9mm sitting on top of the 469. The top of the slides and the backstrap are aligned.
Note just how closely everything aligns including the distance to the trigger and even the curvature of the triggers. There is only about 4 ounces difference in weight between the all metal 469 with it's 15 + 1 rounds and the Shield 2.0 9mm with both magazines loaded.
The 469 design has definitely withstood the test of time. And you can change out the grip panels.
The 469 was the first factory compact Wonder 9.
S&W 59 magazines fit with a spacer butt plate.
The basic ergonomics from the 39, 59 and 469 are still the same ones in the current Shield and M&P pistols.
Here is my Shield 2.0 9mm sitting on top of the 469. The top of the slides and the backstrap are aligned.
Note just how closely everything aligns including the distance to the trigger and even the curvature of the triggers. There is only about 4 ounces difference in weight between the all metal 469 with it's 15 + 1 rounds and the Shield 2.0 9mm with both magazines loaded.
The 469 design has definitely withstood the test of time. And you can change out the grip panels.
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Howland937
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Traded for it today, and when I say I don't have much in it, I really don't have much in it. Which is great, because the finish has been removed entirely from the slide except for the area rearward of the slide serrations. It's a little on the rough side, but solid and the trigger isn't nearly as bad as I'd expected. Pretty sure that screw on the ambi decocker is NOT OEM....
LiveLife
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Congrats.
Wish I had trades like yours coming my way ... As for the worn finish, it's "character"!
And perhaps better than OEM?
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Howland937
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If you only knew...
I can't divulge all the details of this trade because it's completely absurd. The other party quite possibly got the better value, so I didn't skin anyone.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Some 2nd Gen Smith autos did indeed use Phillips head screws for the RH safety lever-
My 645 had one too.
Others used a hex-head screw-
And some deleted the ambi lever all together-
I believe the 3rd Gen style lever which uses a vertical cross pin will retrofit to the older guns as well.
My 645 had one too.
Others used a hex-head screw-
And some deleted the ambi lever all together-
I believe the 3rd Gen style lever which uses a vertical cross pin will retrofit to the older guns as well.
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Originally I've found both hex head and Philips head screws on the right side.
AbE: NL40K beat me too it.
AbE: NL40K beat me too it.
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Howland937
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Oh wow, thats a plus then...I wasn't too worried but I find it more acceptable now. It seemed pretty big and I would have expected something countersunk.
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Howland937
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My kid seems convinced this one's going to be his. He shot my DW Guardian and handled it fine, so he thinks that means he needs something bigger than .22 now. If I can get home before dark I may just let him see how he does shooting DA only.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Its a DA/SA gun....
NIGHTLORD40K
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It is actually possible to cock the hammer manually for a SA 1st shot, you just gotta raise the hammer to the first (half-cock) notch first, then grab the serrations on top of the hammer with your thumb.
Some folks went so far as to switch out the hammer for one with a full spur, its a drop-in swap.
AFAIK, they never made a 2nd Gen DAO variant, but there were quiie a few once they got to the 3rd Gen. Those usually had a bobbed and rounded hammer and no external safety lever on either side.
Some folks went so far as to switch out the hammer for one with a full spur, its a drop-in swap.
AFAIK, they never made a 2nd Gen DAO variant, but there were quiie a few once they got to the 3rd Gen. Those usually had a bobbed and rounded hammer and no external safety lever on either side.
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Howland937
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Right, but I plan to make him decock after every shot so he only gets to use the DA pull. Yeah, they're only 9mm but no way I'm letting him blast away full throttle like he does his MKIV and TX22. Not while I'm the one buying anyway...
NIGHTLORD40K
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Ah, gotcha. 
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Good luck with that.
Better suggestion is to figure out a work schedule for him that will cover ammo purchases. You get a twofer out of it.
Better suggestion is to figure out a work schedule for him that will cover ammo purchases. You get a twofer out of it.
sparkyfender
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I carry my 469 at times, even bought a new Privateer Leather holster for it.
The mags are scarce, however. I bought a couple of new 5906 mags to use as spares.
The mags are scarce, however. I bought a couple of new 5906 mags to use as spares.
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Howland937
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I've got to do some digging around this weekend. Have (or had) a nice leather IWB holster somewhere that I'm near positive was for the 469 that I used with the Sig p228 I had previously.
