Which is stronger? Not what you think.

[Master Blaster]

I have read many threads about which make of revolver is stronger and can stand up to super ubber wrist breaker loads. Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Taurus is seldom mentioned. I dont reload to create these loads and have no interest in making proof loads for a revolver. If I need real power I own a few rifles which way exceed any handgun rounds in both power, and more importantly, accuracy.

SO which revolvers smith and wesson, taurus, ruger, Colt, freedom arms, uberti, etc. single or double action will hold up to more mild and midrange fun to shoot paper punching loads while retaining bullseye level accuracy (hint under 2 inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards)????


I also want to know which revolver will make a better club, yes thats right a better club. I have watched more than a few movies where the hero (Wyatt Erp comes to mind) used his gun as a club to hit the bad guys. I may need to use my revolver as a means of delivering less lethal force like Wyatt Erp did. What revolver and what grips will make the best club??????? What type of hold do you use when using the revolver in this manner????? Is weight or velocity more important? Ruger superredhawk weighs the most but can I swing it fast enough to have the desired effect????? Is an L frame smith better due to higher swinging velocity??? How about those cowboy guns do they swing better than a double action???? Is it better to strike with the butt of the gun or the barrel??? Overhand hold or underhand?? What are the best grips, certainly not rubber wraparounds

So which revolver and style will hold up to more head bustin pistol whippin, and still be able to fire midrange target loads with bullseye accuracy.?????

 

[HiWayMan]

Ruger Vaquero, 6" barrel, substitute the aluminum backstrap for a brass one and finish it off with american elk grips. The brass backsrap puts all the weight where it is supposed to be, in your hand. And with a slight flip you can send a man to dreamland.

 

[Jim Watson]

For accuracy, Smith & Wesson.
For pistol whipping, Ruger. It is recommended to grasp the revolver by wrapping around the butt and trigger guard so as to reduce the risk of an accidental discharge. Hit him with the frame, not the barrel, a hard blow will bend the barrel.
Have a lawyer on retainer. Bill Jordan said that it is actually more difficult to convince the coroner's jury that you didn't hit a man too hard than it is to show you didn't shoot him too much.

 

[RCL]

If you are close enough to club him, he's close enough to stab you.

 

[Ala Dan]

Strength Of Revolver's

use to lie with the famous gunmaker Strum Ruger; as they proof
tested each center-fire weapon with loads 30% above normal. But
these days with the advent of cartridges such as the .454 Casull, 500
S&W Magnum, and the newer .460 S&W Magnum I'm not so sure; cuz
its a fact that these firearms require very strong designs.

 

[Old Fuff]

Old West peace officers often used the technique of hitting someone to knock them down rather then shoot first and ask questions later. Why? Because the town fathers were usually business men who didn't want they're town to have a "shoot 'um up" reputation that would scare away potential new residents and investors.

However they NEVER would use the gun butt to hit with. If they reversed the revolver in their hand they couldn't shoot if they had to, but if the subject of they're attention got his hand on the butt end he could fire it.

The correct way was to "Buffalo" someone - usually an armed drunk - by hitting them on the side of the head just above the ear with the gun barrel. An officer would sometimes slap the subject with his left hand to distract him while at the same time drawing and hitting him with the revolver in his other hand.

Needless to say, all of this wasn't particularly good for the revolver. For that reason the Colt Single Action was prefered because the cylinder was supported front and back by a heavy basepin running through a solid frame. It many have not been the best revolver, but it was unquestionably the best club. Longer barrels were prefered over shorter ones.

Almost any of the quality-brand revolvers with at least a 4 inch barrel will meet your accuracy requirements if the shooter does his part.

 

[Jim PHL]

In these modern days of the lawyer it seems to me if you have enough cause to have your gun in your hand, you better have cause to pull the trigger, and if you have cause to pull the trigger, that may be more effective than a club.

 

[Lone Star]

Ahem...

Elmer Keith cited some blowup tests that showed S&W .44 Magnums to last longer than Ruger Super Blackhawks, when fired with loads beyond proof pressure. But in real world use, the Ruger will last longer without loosening up. Both makes are amply strong for normal ammo.

In, "Kill Or Get Killed," Rex Applegate recommended "slapping" with the handgun, to minimize bending the frame, especially in the M1911 auto.


I just read, "Operatives, Spies, and Saboteurs", by Patrick K. O'Donnell. One OSS agent in Italy used his Colt .45 auto's butt to kill two Germans. He couldn't afford to fire, lest it bring the rest of the enemy down on him, and had no sap. Guess he didn't have time to employ a knife. This is a SUPER book for WW II history buffs, published last year. Look for it.

Lone Star

 

[carpettbaggerr]

So which revolver and style will hold up to more head bustin pistol whippin, and still be able to fire midrange target loads with bullseye accuracy.?????

None? I wouldn't expect accuracy after really hitting someone with a revolver. You can bend the barrel, and if you slap them with it in the side of the head, you can bend the crane. Maybe enough to tie up the gun.

Hitting with the gunbutt probably wouldn't damage the gun, if you held the gun in a shooting grip and struck with a hammerhand blow. You can also punch with the handgun, attempting to drive the muzzle through the target

But I'd shoot someone before I hit them with the gun. I'd consider a blow from a handgun to be lethal force and I'd rather use the most effective lethal force available. If the gun ran dry and I did hit someone with it, I wouldn't expect any revolver to work properly after that.

 

[SnWnMe]

Getting pistol whipped has to be the ultimate humiliation (and it hurts too!).
It just screams "I'm your Daddy"

 

[medmo]

I don't think anyone is going to break any gun over somebody's head. The cranium is going to give way before the crane does.... Force equals mass times acceleration. You will probably acheive almost the same acceleration if you are trying to bust a head with a Redhawk or a Detective Special. If you go too small in mass like a Beretta Bobcat than you probably can't swing it fast enough to make up for the lack of mass. In this case I'm guessing that indeed "Bigger is Better".

So why am I busting someone over the head with my gun anyway?

I'm either Shootin' or Scootin'

 

[CoolRide]

I think it might be easier for me to hit my S&W 500 Mag WITH the perp.
than the other way around!

 

[oneslowgun]

CoolRide owes me a keyboard!!!

Nice one.

 

[jamz]

Hey, this is a serious question.

After all, one of us may well find ourselves in a situation in which, for instance, a rival pimp has moved in on your turf, and started roughing up and scaring some of your "merchandise".

Your cane may not have the necessary effect, and it also might break under serious use.

I'd say that for administering the best pistol-whipping, you need to not only have a long, strong top half, but the more serrrations you have on there, the more damage it can impart to the whippee. In addition, gratuitous chroming helps to publicise and make the beating more visible to your girls, in order to win back their trust. It also keeps blood and fluids from ruining the metal.

So I'd say to go with not a revolver, but a custom long-barrelled 1911, brightly chromed, with cocking serrations running the length of the slide. Possibly engraved with your street name, in reverse, so it imprints on the whippee's forehead.

-James

 

[Stainz]

Without any doubt, a Taurus would be the best club. It would suffer neither in accuracy or dependability afterwards. No, I don't like Taurus'... or is that 'Tauri'? Maybe a clump of scalp in the porting would quiet them down, too. They port everything... probably even the .22's.

Seriously, if you must bean someone with your revolver, you must be out of ammo and in dire straits indeed.

I would give the nod to S&W's offering a long lifespan with good accuracy. Their current stock with lifetime support, although seldom needed, is reassuring as well.

Stainz

 

[BudthePrez]

Missed option

Smith & Wesson has those razor sharp Partridge sights so you slap them with the side then draw the sight across to slash them open but the blood is very bad on the blueing so clean up after.

 

[dvnv]

I'm gonna say the Freedom Arms will outlast the rest and would make a suitable club, rubber grips might be best if you didn't want to kill the clubee. Seems like wrapping the trigger guard with your fingers while placing your thumb (between 1st and 2nd knuckle) under the hammer and using the butt to hit with an overhand chop to side or back to the head would work pretty well. I don't think accuracy would suffer. My .02, dvnv

 

[Paco]

I cannot believe no one has mentioned the gp100s or Redhawk series as the "LAST WORD" on a pistol whipping gun. My 4" gp100 has a full underlug and I swear, the first thing I thought when I hefted that baby was "now here's an effective club/sap!"

The redhawk series, especially in a 7 1/2" flavor, would be the Hammer of Thor in someone's hand and would positively flatten anything you clubbed with it.

The full underlug on the gp100 would protect it well and these guns are extremely accurate. For me, the 4" gp100 is the last word as the best 'scrapper' gun out there. It's a beefy piece.

-Paco

 

[Cosmoline]

Old model Rugers were only slightly tougher than Smiths. This is one reason they feel lighter in the hand and better balanced than the new models. One upshot of the epic Ruger litigation was that the new models have been beefed up beyond any normal realm of steel. The down side is they don't balance in the hand or sit on the hip as easy as Smiths, but man are they tough. Rugers also have the advantage of a much less complex lockwork. There's one big coil mainspring and a very simple system of levers, as opposed to Smiths with a number of little springs and levers, or (old) Colts with a Byzantine series of arms and levers and little tiny men running around oiling the parts. Smack some guy with an old Colt and the little men inside will all get knocked out, rendering your revolver useless.

 

[mike1966ga]

4" with under lug GP100......got the weight........got the big bang..........American made, any questions??

 

[Checkman]

You could scrounge up a Sap or maybe some Sap gloves. Those would probably work. I have a pair of Sap gloves that are probably thirty years old. I imagine if you slugged somebody while wearing those you'd get their attention.

 

[munk]

What a strange thread. A poster wrote that Keith quoted loads which blew up Ruger Blackhawks before Smith N frame 44's. I doubt that any N frame however could stand up to what either the Redhawk or SuperRedhawk can endure.

Another poster wrote that Smith was more accurate than Ruger. That has not been my experience, but I'm only one anecdote. I've never owned a Ruger revolver that with select loads would not do under one inch at 25 yards. Perhaps I'm just lucky- I also try an awful lot of loads.

I actually couldn't say which brand was more accurate. For years I heard Smith was but this did not prove out in my own experience.

The Rugers do seem to arrive with more mistakes that need factory redress, though.

munk

 

[lbmii]

I agree with Jamz that any pistol whipping pistol should be chromed.







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