Which is the best "1 rifle" for nonexpert homeowner?

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Thanks for all the well-considered replies! Honestly, it's looking like I'll have to get at least three: M1A carbine, the Garand (I agree with the historical sentiment), and a lever gun, likely in .38/.357 (cheaper than .45, and the .38 will work with my schofield).

I think I'm going to start with the carbine. Probably through CMP since it'd be half the price of a new one--though I'd appreciate thoughts on that, since buying "used" often means buying "in need of repair".

After I get these three, I have a feeling I'll then start to covet a scary black rifle, too. ;)

To answer some questions:

1. I live in Seattle
2. I shoot at an indoor pistol/rifle range (Shooting Sports Northwest)
3. I get more enjoyment out of accurate shot placement than big bangs (one of the reasons why I love my GSG-5)
4. I don't have a need for more than 200 yards of range
 
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The 30-30 levergun comes as close to a do-it-all gun as any. It has ease/simplicity of use, versatility, range to 250 yards with the new ammo, wide availability of ammo, reasonably rapid rate of fire, and is definitely PC.
 
IMO:

The M1 carbine is mostly a curio -- avoid unless you are really into WWII/Korean War history. Don't get me wrong, they are neat little guns, but not practical. Shouldn't be on your 1 rifle list.

Garand is great but again specialized. Not in a bad way though. Just not "1 rifle".

A bit of personal bias: A "1 rifle" as you described it shouldn't be a semi-auto. Why? If you are in 1-rifle mode you should load your own ammo. Handloading expands your versatility tremendously. Something like a 30-06 can be handloaded with everything from 100gr smallish game rounds up to 250gr thumpers.... but semi-autos fling brass everywhere, are touchy about what they'll feed... in generally they are frustrating if you want to handload.

The lever carbine seems a perfect match to the handguns you seem to like. You should go with .45 Colt though since you are talking about a revolver in that caliber. Alternatively you could get your revolver and carbine in .44 magnum.

If I was going to be limited to a single rifle/pistol pair right now it would be a good double action revolver and lever carbine/rifle in .454 casull or .460 S&W. Not that I'd fire the heavy rounds most of the time but they would eat hot .45 colt all day and in a 16-20" barrel .454 is in the 45/70 league. Of course I'd modify that if I planned to hunt antelope or something but within real-world distances (150 yards) it is fine. It also makes an easy pair to reload.
 
"Double Tap lists their 335 grain .45 Colt +P at a velocity of 1655 fps from a 16.5'' Carbine."

According to the ballistics calculator at handloads.com (and assuming you are sighted at 100yards) you stay within -2.48" of center and above 1320fp energy out to 125 yards, reaching -6.18" drop and 1217 fp energy at 150 yards. I'd stay within 125 but 150 in skilled hands wouldn't be unethical.

Double Tap has another load that fires a 255gr bullet at 1775fps out of a 16.5 barrel. Slightly less drop (5.9" at 150 yards) but it drops to about 900fp energy at 150 yards. That beats the muzzle energy of a .357 handgun so it's hard to call it unacceptably low.

The drop for either of these rounds at 200 yards is about the same as a 30-06 at 300 yards (in the 17" range). The energy is lower (1157fpe for the heavy 45LC at 200 yds vs. 1620fpe for the 30-06 at 300) but not by any terrible amount. It is very reasonable to say that, if you have the skills, the .45 colt carbine is a 200 yard rifle.

Those loads are within handloading range and are safe for any of the carbines and the large frame Ruger revolvers (like the Bisley) as well.

These aren't long range rounds... not antelope guns at all... but if you want a cowboy/plinker/range gun that can also work self defense and hunting duty, is easy to reload for, and fun to shoot, I can't see a down side. I mostly load light ("cowboy") .45 colt myself and they are a blast to shoot. Not a huge bang but a big hole.
 
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Depending upon price, SKS Paratrooper, or normal-length SKS (longer but costs less) and then M-1 Carbine. The Yugo SKS has the longest length due to the grenade-launcher. Not so practical, unless you have the grenades and keep it a secret.

The SKS will share ammo with more types of other rifles than the M-1 C.
The so-called 'Paratrooper' costs more, but should be much handier than the standard.
 
I notice that you do your shooting indoors. Before you buy a new rifle, make sure that your range will allow you to shoot it. A lot of indoor ranges don't want you shooting any centerfire rifle cartridges there as they tear up the backstops.
 
My general purpose/disaster rifle is a sporterized 1903 Springfield. Light enough, sturdy, accurate, handy, shoots common ammunition. Not at all a bad choice.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of hype out there about certain weapons. The M1A, for instance, is based on the second least-successful U.S. military rifle ever. It is definitely not the weapon a relative neophyte would be best served with. Because of their relative fragility, lever-actions are also not ideal for such an individual.

Regards,

John
 
Mr. JShirley.: Can you clear up some confusion on my part about the M-14?
Many reports seem to claim that the M-14 was difficult to control on automatic (as with the FN FAL).

As an 'armchair warrior' (and frankly, late-bloomer with guns), I've only read things about troops transitioning from the M-14 to the M-16 in Vietnam- and often while they were in country (?). Despite the fact that some people/staffs in the Pentagon decided not to issue the correct type of powder for the 16 and also did not stress cleaning, the 16 had a gigantic bureaucratic advantage over the M-14.

Maybe I'm quite mistaken, but having read and heard (from present military Rifle Team members and others) about those mistakes with the 16, the 14 was not allowed to really compete as a standard issue for very long in the nasty boiling bush and rice paddies of s.e. Asia, was it? Philip Caputo ("A Rumor Of War") and other veterans who wrote books about their adventures also reported that Marines in Da Nang or elsewhere preferred other rifles to the 16 'mouse gun', regardless of reliability. Also, Col. David Hackworth ("About Face").

It sounds like the 14 was 'stepped on' or pushed aside, in order to promote the new space-age darling of the Pentagon. Lots of taxpayer money was spent on the M-16's prototype. But they are still used by some troops in Afghanistan, and appear to be popular, even as just a sniper gun.
As the newer comm. copies seem to be very popular with seasoned/skilled civilian shooters, why would some of the original series, which would have been refined after early operational use (as with aircraft and tanks), not have been a really good combat rifle?
I'm not trying to tar the M-16, but it was sent in to mostly replace the 14, unless I've misunderstood the entire situation.
 
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Ruger Mini-14

These work great in many third world countries for suppression fire. Available five-round magazines for legal hunting through thirty-round banana mags for suppression fire. VERY dependable firearms for multi-usage. 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips for "varmint" hunting through 60 grain Nosler Partitions for the bigger stuff. What's not to love? cliffy
 
The perfect gun for you....

O.K. Your needs can only be met with TWO (2) rifle because you want to get into cowboy action shooting. You'd have to get the lever action rifle that the other posters recommended. However, if you have the budget for 2 rifles, then an SKS would be ideal.

Since your range time is limited, getting a terribly accurate sniper rifle would be useless to you as you would not have requisite range time to master wind reading, distance ranging with mil-dot scopes, and bullet drop calculations. A simple gun with iron sights is what you need due to your limited range time. Since you don't want to penetrate armor, my favorite SHTF rifle, the 50 BMG shooters are out. Since you want to use it for hunting, then calibers that are too small are out. You already have a shotgun for hunting small game like ducks and birds. Therefore, you'll want a bigger gun for home defense and hunting large game like deer. Therefore, a AR15 is out as the .223 projectile is too small for deer, unless you like following blood trails for miles. It needs to be easy to use and maintain, so it would have to be a millitary rifle. You want your petite girlfriend to be able to handle it, so it would have to be a gun designed for little Vietnamese fighters. Hey, there's a bit of history to it, too, the Vietnam war. Therefore, you should buy an SKS, Norinco version as they are built for smaller Asian statures. The stocks are smaller and lighter than the Russian and Eastern european AK's. The gun has a chrome lined barrel and will outlast you. It is a great little, inexpensive semi-auto rifle. Enjoy!

BTW, don't worry about overpenetration of the 7.62x39 ammo. Just take groin shots and the bullet will hit the ground behind the BG. Bullets will only overpenetrate into your neighbors' home if you shoot straight ahead by going for head or COM shots. A shot to the BG's family jewels will stop drop him fast without the danger of overpenetration because the bullet trajectory is angled at the ground. Since you live in Washington state, the penetration through trees is a good thing for you in a defensive situation. AR15 cannot penetrate trees as good as SKS.

Personally, I think that the best SHTF gun is 50 BMG such as a Barrett or Serbu. I have hunted deer with my 50 bmg and I can tell you that I did not have to follow any blood trails. It just dropped like a puppet with the strings cut suddenly. A BG shot with a 50 BMG will be split in half. However, 50 BMG rifles weigh 22 (serbu) to 3X lbs (Barrett), so your petite girlfriend won't be able to handle it.

Even though I have many guns, my cheapest gun, the SKS is my favorite. Other semi auto rifles with protruding magazines force you to put your head up high in a vulnerable position to fire it. The SKS has a 10 round fixed magazine so you can fire it from a nearly flat prone position, letting you avoid enemy fire. Great little gun. Enjoy!

1. I'm not ex-military or ex-LEO, but grew up shooting rifles and camping
2. I'm likely to get to the rifle range every 3 months or so
3. I'm a fan of history (the romance of the Garand appeals to me)
4. I currently live in the suburbs
5. I don't expect to fight armored opponents with my rifle; the rifle is for pleasure/target shooting but is also my one SHTF rifle (SHTF = for whatever reason, must head out into woods for extended period of time, or use this rifle against intruders for self-defense)
6. Rifle must be easy to use and maintain, and be able to be operated by my girlfriend if need be (she's 5'6", 125lbs).
7. Cowboy action shooting.

P.S. a Norinco SKS can be had for $150 to $300 at current prices, depending on condition.
 
I be thinking a Ruger Mini-14 would work very well for your needs; reliable, efficient, and relatively cost effective.

You also need a Marlin 39A 22LR. Everyone needs one and they make an excellent rifle for the trail or hunting small game.
 
I'd vote for one of the following:

  1. Lever action center-fire...for home defense a pistol caliber like .357, .44 magnum, or .45 cold.
  2. M1 carbine.
  3. Mini-14
  4. An AR...with a long enough barrel to get some velocity!
 
M-1 Carbine fits the bill on many points listed, if it's a decent carbine--and that can be a hurdle. The cheaper ones tend to be just that. The real issue right now for the Carbine is that ammo is a huge problem. Hornady used to make a very nice SP, that would certainly suit for hunting (or zombies). But, that's off catalog AFIK.

Carbine balance is nice, especially if a person is holding a flashlight in the support hand for in the middle of the night, indoors, while it's raining-dark, too (not always the case with a lever-action).
 
Can you clear up some confusion on my part about the M-14?
Many reports seem to claim that the M-14 was difficult to control on automatic (as with the FN FAL).

I took Basic Training in 1969. We trained on the M-14, and then got two weeks to qualify with the M-16 at the end. The M-16 had already been in Vietnam for a couple years or so, but we trained with the M-14 because the large amount of time devoted to bayonet drill, and so that fewer M-16s would be needed to equip the training battalions.

As best I remember, the M-14s that we trained with were semi-auto only. The full-auto capable version had some different designation which I forget. It also had a bipod, I think. The word was that it could not be controlled under full auto. We also had a drill using the M-16 with full auto which was meant to teach us that you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that way. Well, you could hit the broad side, but not the narrow end.

The M-14 may not have had a long life as the primary service rifle, but it has a lot of admirers. The big problems, weight and the weight of ammunition, are not an issue for civilians. The weapon has great balance and feel. It goes to the shoulder well and points where you want it to. As for accuracy, it was good enough that it took about 30 years of refinement of the AR platform to compete.

There is a lot of pining for full-auto weapons among posters here and on similar boards, but I bet it's mostly by people who have never fired a machine gun. There may be a full-auto out there which fires a cartridge big enough to be considered for military use, and which can be controlled, but even the gangsters gave up on the Thompson when they realized they weren't hitting anything. Except on Valentine's Day, of course.
 
And in reply to capn mac, My M-1 carbine is my backup and my wife's primary, I consider it to be ideal for several reasons, but I only have it because I inherited it. The cost of a good Inland or other milsurp is enough to make it not a comparable choice if you don't already have one.
 
5. I don't expect to fight armored opponents with my rifle; the rifle is for pleasure/target shooting but is also my one SHTF rifle (SHTF = for whatever reason, must head out into woods for extended period of time, or use this rifle against intruders for self-defense)

If the operative words above are "into woods for an extended period of time", the rifle/carbine that can deliver the best compromise in terms of carrying convenience, ease of handling, terminal ballistics and firepower would probably be a 6 lb. Ruger Mini-30 with proven 20 round magazines, or the companion lever rifle to your revolver.

I'll stick with a .357 lever rifle paired with 686 or GP100. You can bring more ammo compared to larger calibers.

A Garand would be nice but impractical due to its length and 9 lb empty weight plus the weight of its cartridges. I'd rather carry food/water rations than steel.

One time I carried an M1 for 24 hours, ended up literally dragging the poor rifle home. Makes one wonder in awe about the stamina of WWII/Korean War G.I.s.
 
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