Which Remington 700 series should i choose?
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Tim the student
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You seem to like Remingtons, without necessarily knowing why. You are mistaken if you think that quality is always correlated to cost. Often it is, but not always.
There are plenty of very knowledgeable shooters here that choose to go with Savage. There is a reason for that - and it isn't cost.
I urge you to do some more research on other brands, as well as some more reading on pretty much everything rifles. Do it here, not wherever you got the idea that shooting .223 from a .308 would be peachy. I mean no offense - but you have some learning to do I think.
There are plenty of very knowledgeable shooters here that choose to go with Savage. There is a reason for that - and it isn't cost.
I urge you to do some more research on other brands, as well as some more reading on pretty much everything rifles. Do it here, not wherever you got the idea that shooting .223 from a .308 would be peachy. I mean no offense - but you have some learning to do I think.
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idcurrie said:
I will second the Weatherby Vanguard S2 or if you can afford a little more get a Tikka T3 (IMHO the best value for money factory production rifle on the market with the best accuracy guarantee, besides a Sako). The Synthetic stocks on the Tikka's are fibre re-inforced and dont flex as bad as most other Synthetic stocks in there price point. The Tikka's are made by Sako and use the same barrel as what is on the Sako's and the triggers are about the best on a factory production gun.
The problem is if you want a target gun you should get one with a heavy barrel (T3 Varmint) and they become a little heavy to hump around the woods thats why most hunting guns have light barrels (T3 Lite). If you think you can handle the extra weight (around 2.5 pounds) then you would be better off with a Varmint style gun. The heavy barrel won't overheat like a lightweight hunting barrel when you are target shooting it at the range.
And that's out of how many? "Hundreds" out of a couple thousand is a lot, but "hundreds" out of 100,000 is nothing. Human nature means that only unhappy people post. Worse, they like to spread their unhappiness around, and post the same stories on many different sites. Those who are happy have no reason to post anything. For this reason it gives a very negatively-biased view of any product that may in fact have decent reliablity. Unless you work at a gun shop or a range, it's nearly impossible to get real, unbiased information.
I can give you real unbiased information as to exactly WHAT was wrong with mine. The magazine wouldnt feed reliably as one of the feed ramps was ground incorrectly, my local smith fixed that for free when he also modified a front weaver mount to deal with the off center holes in the receiver.
The finish is very ruff. Much more so then if it had been nicely bead blasted, like my older and much less expensive ADL was.
Im not saying that you SHOULDNT get a remington 700, i dont think i will unless i can handle it before i buy. As i generally have a local FFL holder bring in rifles for me, i dont get to handle anything before i buy it, and for that ill stick with Savage. As a note i paied 650 for my 7mm SPS, im pretty sure why you can see im not going out on a limb for remington again.
The finish is very ruff. Much more so then if it had been nicely bead blasted, like my older and much less expensive ADL was.
Im not saying that you SHOULDNT get a remington 700, i dont think i will unless i can handle it before i buy. As i generally have a local FFL holder bring in rifles for me, i dont get to handle anything before i buy it, and for that ill stick with Savage. As a note i paied 650 for my 7mm SPS, im pretty sure why you can see im not going out on a limb for remington again.
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And here is a little unbiased data for you. Of the 26 personal friends that bought Remingtons in the past 2 years, 11 of them had problems! Thats almost 50% and damn well NOT acceptable in my book. LoonWolfs problems are a prime example. Fit and finish not acceptable, off center scope base D&T's, feed ramps not ground. These are all quality control issues that could be EASILY caught at the factory IF they gave a crap about quality like they USED to. Now they all depend on button pushing CNC operators that wouldn't know a breech from a muzzle. As I said in another thread, CNC is all well and good and CAN provide very high quality products. BUT you still have to have quality firearms builders at the finish line to make sure of the fit and finish and of the quality of the parts. You have some 20 year old kid that has never even fired a rifle inspecting these and you get what Remington now produces, JUNK. Period.
remingtonfan
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Hey KB58,
I did actually hear about the reports over the remington rifles being poor quality and things of that nature. However most of it seems to be the 770 and 710 (i think).
I also noticed the cnbc report, where they were bashing remington 700 series rifles because suposablly its safety can act as a trigger, and cause the gun to fire when it's disengaged.
However in my opinion (and feel free to argue), the people who had the gun fire in the manner described above, would likely have changed the trigger pressure to an unsafe threshold.
I saw a video, where a Maine police officer (i dont know if it was a real police officer) who managed to get the gun to fire by just tapping the bolt gently.
However......nobody at all pulled him aside and asked him "did you modify the trigger on this rifle"?
I can promise you all, i will be spending time at the range trying a few rifles before finializing my decision.
Like you said though, its hard to get unbiased info.....i litterly have to make the best decision i can with what info i "hope" is unbiased or true.
I did actually hear about the reports over the remington rifles being poor quality and things of that nature. However most of it seems to be the 770 and 710 (i think).
I also noticed the cnbc report, where they were bashing remington 700 series rifles because suposablly its safety can act as a trigger, and cause the gun to fire when it's disengaged.
However in my opinion (and feel free to argue), the people who had the gun fire in the manner described above, would likely have changed the trigger pressure to an unsafe threshold.
I saw a video, where a Maine police officer (i dont know if it was a real police officer) who managed to get the gun to fire by just tapping the bolt gently.
However......nobody at all pulled him aside and asked him "did you modify the trigger on this rifle"?
I can promise you all, i will be spending time at the range trying a few rifles before finializing my decision.
Like you said though, its hard to get unbiased info.....i litterly have to make the best decision i can with what info i "hope" is unbiased or true.
remingtonfan
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Hey Freedom_fighter,
Yeah almost 50% seems excessive.
I see what your saying about the CNC operators. I actually did AUTOcad (the program and programming you use to enter into a CNC lathe how to cut whatever piece there is). So i do know about CNC end results and you make a good point.
Yeah almost 50% seems excessive.
I see what your saying about the CNC operators. I actually did AUTOcad (the program and programming you use to enter into a CNC lathe how to cut whatever piece there is). So i do know about CNC end results and you make a good point.
I agree with you on the trigger issue remingtonfan, ive never had an issue with a Walker. The only issues ive ever seen have been user induced, either by poor maintenance or poor adjustment. That isnt to say it isnt possible due to normal ware, but it seems to be unlikely, and uncomon. As for the police "Idiot", THAT i can almost for sure say was poor sear adjustment.
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NCdrummer
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STOP!
I suggest you stop reading internet stories and meet someone, in person, who knows a little about firearms. This whole thread is goofy! If you must buy a rifle, I really suggest you start like many of us did, with an air rifle. Learn all about how to shoot it accurately and safely. Then progress to a rimfire, and eventually move into centerfire rifles. No offense, but you really need help! PLEASE don't buy a rifle until you have some experience!
I suggest you stop reading internet stories and meet someone, in person, who knows a little about firearms. This whole thread is goofy! If you must buy a rifle, I really suggest you start like many of us did, with an air rifle. Learn all about how to shoot it accurately and safely. Then progress to a rimfire, and eventually move into centerfire rifles. No offense, but you really need help! PLEASE don't buy a rifle until you have some experience!
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remingtonfan, All that hype has been going around about the supposed trigger "problem" for a few years now. There has yet to be a truly PROVEN instance of the "problem". They say it has been around for over 30 years. I have several older Remingtons (back when they were actually Remington and not some conglomerate) and unless you have some backroom hack doing trigger modifications, it is a safe and reliable trigger group. That is not the issue I have with Remington. It's simply the quality of the overall product being produced. It is not up to the standards that they used to be. If you are going to charge a moderate to premium price for a product, you should put out a product that meets the standards of that price. When you have firearms such as Savage that are 10% to 30% cheaper for the same type of firearms that are 100% better in quality out of the box, then you have a serious problem. It seems that Freedom Group has not yet grasped this concept. Maybe one day they will before they go completely belly up. I do highly doubt that they will though judging from their past history. They suck all they can out of a company, bankrupt it and move on.
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+ 1 NCdrummer.. if you aren't familiar with rifles its difficult to jump right in with both feet. Especially at the rate you are trying to.. Already talking about 800 meter shots? I've had my Rem. 308 for a while now and havent come close nor am I ready for that challenge.. one day though 
Nothing wrong with knowing what you want but atleast check out the competition like everyone has been saying.. I also would look into the Vanguards from weatherby. I think they are guarunteed sub moa out the box (correct me if im wrong anybody) And i dont know where you got your info about Savages. I just got an older used model 10 in .223 from a friend of the family and it made 3 holes touch at 75 yards or so my first time shooting it!! i was blown away, and the glass on it is just an old Simmons. And if you do get rifle and end up not liking it, guns hold there value relatively well and you can try new ones.
Nothing wrong with knowing what you want but atleast check out the competition like everyone has been saying.. I also would look into the Vanguards from weatherby. I think they are guarunteed sub moa out the box (correct me if im wrong anybody) And i dont know where you got your info about Savages. I just got an older used model 10 in .223 from a friend of the family and it made 3 holes touch at 75 yards or so my first time shooting it!! i was blown away, and the glass on it is just an old Simmons. And if you do get rifle and end up not liking it, guns hold there value relatively well and you can try new ones.remingtonfan
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Hi NCdrummer,
Yeah I have actually shot firearms before. I have shot handguns before. I can actually shoot very well with it. I am not totally "green behind the ears at this", but yes i would be in the rifle arena. come to think of it i havent shot a shotgun but i have taken two types apart (with the owner) and put it back together again.
I do plan to go back to the range and also meet other rifle users too.
The whole thread may seem goofy, and i dont take offense, but if you read the entire thread in full, after you get the context (which is actually several questions and several more added after clarifcations etc), it should make sense.
I will not take offense, i am here to learn and do value anyone's opinion and suggestions that have more experience than I.
Yeah I have actually shot firearms before. I have shot handguns before. I can actually shoot very well with it. I am not totally "green behind the ears at this", but yes i would be in the rifle arena. come to think of it i havent shot a shotgun but i have taken two types apart (with the owner) and put it back together again.
I do plan to go back to the range and also meet other rifle users too.
The whole thread may seem goofy, and i dont take offense, but if you read the entire thread in full, after you get the context (which is actually several questions and several more added after clarifcations etc), it should make sense.
I will not take offense, i am here to learn and do value anyone's opinion and suggestions that have more experience than I.
remingtonfan
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Hey Clack Clack,
Regarding 800 meter shots, i belive that was the max range i had in mind. Dosent mean i would be trying for 800 meter shots right away
Regarding 800 meter shots, i belive that was the max range i had in mind. Dosent mean i would be trying for 800 meter shots right away
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In your price range, I believe your best option would be a Remington 700 SPS. I have aquired 3 of them in the past 2 years. They are reasonably inexpensive and all 3 of mine have shot much more accurately than I expected, I can't say how they would act with factory loads, but with some experimentation, I'm sure you will find ammo that will shoot very well.
Savage is also an option, but I believe your odds of getting accuracy are better from a Remington. I have both, as well as quite a few others, and have had the best luck with the 700's.
Good luck with whatever your decide to get
Savage is also an option, but I believe your odds of getting accuracy are better from a Remington. I have both, as well as quite a few others, and have had the best luck with the 700's.
Good luck with whatever your decide to get
After reading this whole thread. I would suggest you start with a .22. Find a nice cheap older used Marlin. Tube feed or clip. You can shot out to 100 yards and have a blast. Shooting .22 is about as much fun as you can have with a rifle. You can shoot lots of rounds for pennies. It will teach you proper breathing and posture techniques. Seriously, if you are willing to drop 600-700 on a 308, buy a $100 dollar .22 and shoot it for a while. Learn and then buy the bigger rifle. This is a win-win situation.
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