guyfromohio
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Consider the PPS as well.
Which small 9mm, Ruger LC9S or S&W Shield
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Could not agree more.
barnett
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I own the Shield....tomorrow I'm buying the LC9s.
The trigger is as sweet as my 1911.
The trigger is as sweet as my 1911.
Captains1911
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There must be something wrong with your 1911 if it's trigger feels like that of a striker-fired.
Indeed, please tell which 1911 you own. I'm hopeful that my bonus will allow the purchase of my first, and I'd probably prefer something different!
However, I do like the trigger of my LC9s... not as much as my SR9c.
george burns
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Out of the 2 you mentioned the Shield is the better pistol on too many levels to start listing. Just shoot both the answer will be self evident.
Subjective.
RustyShackelford
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M&P Shield, new 320 SIG....
I plan to buy a new "no thumb safety" Shield 9x19mm soon. I can use Bud's qualified professional discount so the $$$ is right.
I like the new Shield's design & features. 1000s of cops & CCW holders are buying Shields.
If I didn't get a Shield, Id look at the new modular design of the SIG Sauer 320 9mm/.40/.357sig.
You can buy a compact and a sub-compact frame/barrel/magazine then convert the pistol quickly. That's handy & offers a few choices(going from concealed to home defense with a white-light/laser aimer).
The 320 series may catch on but it's a new concept. It might do better than SIG's P250 series.
I plan to buy a new "no thumb safety" Shield 9x19mm soon. I can use Bud's qualified professional discount
so the $$$ is right. I like the new Shield's design & features. 1000s of cops & CCW holders are buying Shields.
If I didn't get a Shield, Id look at the new modular design of the SIG Sauer 320 9mm/.40/.357sig.
You can buy a compact and a sub-compact frame/barrel/magazine then convert the pistol quickly. That's handy & offers a few choices(going from concealed to home defense with a white-light/laser aimer).
The 320 series may catch on but it's a new concept. It might do better than SIG's P250 series.
Captains1911
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Introducing the no thumb safety option on the Shield was a very smart move for S&W. If I didn't already own and love my XDs, I would be purchasing one for sure.
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Have you tried to use the thumb safety on Shield ? It can't be reached while holding the gun in a ready to shoot / aimed position ! It can only be reached either when the gun is still in the holster, or by using the second hand to switch it off, or by rotating the gun so the trigger in away from the index finger and the barrel is facing down. It is absolutely the worst safety concept I've seen in my life. For me, looking for a carry gun with safety, this completely ruled out M&P Shield even though I liked the feel of the gun.
I did not realize that safety variant preceded the no-safety; looks like a total afterthought to me.
Float Pilot
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Do both the LC9 and Shield have magazine dis-connectors that block the gun from firing when the mag is removed ?
jimbo555
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The Ruger has the magazine disconnect.
How big or small are your hands? I use the Shield's safety and like it, specifically because I can easily switch it off while holding it in the firing position.
I guess it depends on the individual, but I wouldn't risk my life thinking I could get that safety off in a stressful situation. My other guns... it's an easy swipe with my thumb. I have to hunt for the Shield safety.
Again, that's just me. YMMV.
george burns
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That's why they made the new version, sans- safety
RustyShackelford
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The Yankee Marshal...
Youtube.com gun channel host: The Yankee Marshal did a few videos about how he hates the traditional(manual safety Shield).
When the newer non safety Shield came out, TYM bought one & gave it high praise.
His big complaint with the semi auto pistol was the small safety could pop on or off without the owner knowing it.
He kept it in a gym bag when he'd go to a fitness center & noticed the safety moved while in the gear bag.
Id add that for the Shield Id buy a 9mm not the larger .40S&W. It feeds & cycles well and is powerful. You can also train to fire the 9x19mm one handed in a emergency.
Youtube.com gun channel host: The Yankee Marshal did a few videos about how he hates the traditional(manual safety Shield).
When the newer non safety Shield came out, TYM bought one & gave it high praise.
His big complaint with the semi auto pistol was the small safety could pop on or off without the owner knowing it.
He kept it in a gym bag when he'd go to a fitness center & noticed the safety moved while in the gear bag.
Id add that for the Shield Id buy a 9mm not the larger .40S&W. It feeds & cycles well and is powerful. You can also train to fire the 9x19mm one handed in a emergency.
george burns
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I agree Rusty, I actually had the gun in 40 when they first came out. Mine was one of the ones that the mag would drop out of from recoil. But new guns almost always have new problems. Swapped out the 40.
Now I would not hesitate to get the 9mm without the safety. My only problem is how many small carry guns does one need. I know a lot of guys have a dozen of them but after 2 new cars in 4 months, I really am not in a position to buy anything I really don't need. My PM9 or Glock 26 , will have to do for a few months, or at least till the paint dries on the Cars. I remember I traded the Shield for a M&P 9c, similar but more rounds, and heavier/thicker.
Now I would not hesitate to get the 9mm without the safety. My only problem is how many small carry guns does one need. I know a lot of guys have a dozen of them but after 2 new cars in 4 months, I really am not in a position to buy anything I really don't need. My PM9 or Glock 26 , will have to do for a few months, or at least till the paint dries on the Cars. I remember I traded the Shield for a M&P 9c, similar but more rounds, and heavier/thicker.
Captains1911
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Unless of course you forget to turn the safety off, or it inadvertently gets engaged. That scenario could turn out to be disastrous in the unfortunate event that you may need your gun for self defense.
If your gun has a thumb safety, use it and train train train with it. Otherwise carry a gun that does not have one.
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Recent court case....
A recent trial in my metro area had the victim confronting her car-jacker in court.
The woman testified the defendant took her pistol, removed the manual safety and pointed it at her.
If you choose to carry a pistol with a safety, Id choose the frame style(ambi) and as posted: train train train.
Some PDs and LE agencies choose not to use safety pistols, others give the sworn personnel a choice.
When the LAPD first authorized the Beretta 92F 9mm in the mid 1980s, they mandated officers not use the ambi safety.
Beretta USA later rolled out the 92/96 G & the D(DA only).
A recent trial in my metro area had the victim confronting her car-jacker in court.
The woman testified the defendant took her pistol, removed the manual safety and pointed it at her.
If you choose to carry a pistol with a safety, Id choose the frame style(ambi) and as posted: train train train.
Some PDs and LE agencies choose not to use safety pistols, others give the sworn personnel a choice.
When the LAPD first authorized the Beretta 92F 9mm in the mid 1980s, they mandated officers not use the ambi safety.
Beretta USA later rolled out the 92/96 G & the D(DA only).
lobo9er
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I believe a carry gun should be able to fire without a magazine inserted.
Float Pilot
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Yes, Exactly....!!!
^^^THIS!!!
I've removed the gun from my holster several times and found the safety had been bumped off. If it can be bumped off, it can be bumped on (be assured that I use quality holsters... no cheap nylon junk). It has happened with both kydex and leather holsters.
As Captains1911 said, if your gun has a safety, include it in your training drills. Never pretend it's not there.
I saw an online ad a few days ago on Texas Gun Trader in which a guy advertised an M&P Shield he was selling. He said the gun had never been fired, only holstered and carried. My first thought on reading the ad was, so how did he train with the Shield if he never fired it?
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