White House Backs Right to Arms Outside Obama Events

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What is the problem? He just went to bat for the gun owners and still your complain. He just publicly up heal you right to carry a firearm. A you complain about not being able to walk beside him carrying you ar-15? What more do you won’t. He has got to have security.

I voted the other party and am not a obama fan but
Good call obama!
 
Let me see. I have to disarm to go see my 7yrs. old grandaughter's school play.So what's the problem disarming to see the POTUS? She is very special to me, but so is whom ever is the president.

I believe in the office not the man. If i can give up a tiny bit of my rights to see my grandaughter be the third tree on the right, i can do the same for POTUS.
 
I think Obama ( I loathe his policies but respect the Office), thinks the PR of "gun-nuts" at events (as represented in the MSM), plays mostly in his favor. Maybe. Maybe not. I, for one, respect the folks carrying at these events regardless.

Likewise, I also think BHO probably has a valid birth-certificate that they've made a conscious decision NOT to release because they think the "birther-nut" PR plays mostly in their favor... i.e.: the people against me should be dismissed as kooks. The folks running the Obama adminstration aren't stupid when it comes to manipulating their sympathetic media.

IMO,
Les
 
Old Fuff said:
''All-and-all it would appear that it was a staged event for the media, and the president was never in danger. This is a far cry from any assassination attempt. They real question is who set it up, and why?''
damn skippy.Why is no one asking this obvious question?
 
Good call Les. I agree.
Do you think the names of the gun carriers at these events are on a WH black (not racial) list?
 
4409 seems to be behind it.

Dig around the web...they're interesting.

I know it's a generic term used by RP supporters, but there seems to be a more organized guerilla movement using that moniker on some of the more popular sites.
 
Hm. A whole lot of people on this board & others were castigating the black fellow in AZ for bringing his AR, that we'd all get labeled as 'gun nuts' and put the 2A defense back a few years because of him.

Now, as a direct result of his actions, the White House has come out in defense of his OC, however obliquely worded it may have been? Seems to me he did a great job. I also think he was the perfect demographic - a white guy near a black president would have been at much higher risk, IMO.

Now, does anyone have any substantiation for this rumor about the AR guy making prior arrangements with the local PD for his planned attendance?
 
Would it be paranoid of me to think that he might just be setting himself up for saying "I tried giving you the chance to be armed peacefully, but you showed you can't be trusted" for when something bad happens, and Washington reacts with a whole slew of tyrannical legislation?
 
After all, people with guns kill people all the time, and that scares the public. The public has a right to feel safe. This outweighs our right to own a gun. Only the police and military should own guns near the President They are the only ones who can be trusted.
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Preservation of the President is more important to national security and the American legal system than preservation of any one single citizen. Its just the way it is.

Would it be paranoid of me to think that he might just be setting himself up for saying "I tried giving you the chance to be armed peacefully, but you showed you can't be trusted" for when something bad happens, and Washington reacts with a whole slew of tyrannical legislation?
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I think that is a reasonable position. I think Obama and the anti-gun people would LOVE for one of the armed protestors to do something stupid, and have justification for more gun laws. Most people are going to agree with the idea that people should not be armed when near the president, and will probably agree that being armed at political events in general is a bad idea. I would not be surprised if some of the gun toters are actually sleepers for anti-gun groups.
 
Preservation of the President is more important to national security and the American legal system than preservation of any one single citizen. Its just the way it is.
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I have a suspicion that George Washington would disagree with that statement.

Maybe that's just me and a bottle of wine talking.....

200+ years later it's easy to think of the office as somehow above everyone else. The original intent was, I think, somewhat different.
 
I have a suspicion that George Washington would disagree with that statement.
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I think you might be wrong. Washington understood the importance of leadership, and generally forbade his soldiers from intentionally shooting high ranking British officers. He understood that it was more important for the officers to remain alive and in command, than it was for the average red coat soldier to remain alive.

The President's individual life is not more important than anyone elses. But to subvert the will of the American people through presidential assassination is certainly more important than any individual's right to carry a gun at rally as some kind of protest.
 
I'm about as PRO 2A as an Individual Right as you can get - yet there are some places where you can't have guns - Courthouses, Airplanes, and anywhere that the President is.

It only takes a second for an otherwise law abiding citizen to become a killer. No matter who the President is we cannot take that chance.

Score one for the administration (for whom I am NOT a fan). However, I suspect there are alterior motives such as hoping there is a mishap to push forward anti-gun legislation.
 
mdugan said:
Do you think the names of the gun carriers at these events are on a WH black (not racial) list?
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They're on some list now, and I suspect most, if not all, open-carried consciously knowing that would probably happen.

I understand many of these folks went out of their way to notify Law Enforcement ahead of time what they were doing and why ...Which is one of the reasons I respect their resolve.

What can I say. Our founders had huge onions (and limited popular support) too.

Les
 
Thanks for the video link, that was far better than the tiny interview snippet I've seen in the media. Guy did a nice job.

I think my favorite analogy so far, when asked why I'd carry a gun all day, every day, is my motorcycle helmet. I wear it every time I ride. I've never crashed. But if the day comes, when it becomes abundantly clear that NOW is when I'm about to REALLY need my helmet, it's going to be too late at that point to double back to the garage to retrieve it.

So I wear my helmet, even if I don't plan on crashing that day. Everybody understands *that*.
 
I am all for a civilian armed presence at meetings with our leaders, it shows them that there are limits to their self serving decisions. However, anyone attempting to penetrate the security zone should be prevented from doing so and arrested. I know several shooters who are cooky enough that I would not want them anywhere near any person they disagreed with with a gun. Perfectly legal gun owners, fun to be at the range with them and swap stories, but not a rational thought in their head.
 
I think my favorite analogy so far, when asked why I'd carry a gun all day, every day, is my motorcycle helmet.
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All my fire extinguishers are "loaded" too. ...and not because I'm "afraid" of fire...

les
 
Really? The Secret Service and the police brought guns to these events, whom did they endanger?
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They endangered all the people who would do harm to the president.
 
21Bubba-

I DON'T have to disarm to go see my kid's play. That argument is based on your geography. I sat through three back to school meetings tonight with my EDC.

I still say that since the WH press corps blinked, this is a victory. It might not have been a great idea, but it worked out in this case.
 
It turns out that the guy who organized the Phoenix event is a supporter of the Viper Militia group. That may or may not mean anything, but it was apparrently a right wing militia that bought ammonium nitrate in large quantities and subesquently busted up by the govt.
 
You are exactly right Geoff, it happened a few decades ago to some eastern NC land owners when a plane carrying nukes lost its load over the swamps. Imagine that the goverment taking your rights of a property owner away on your property because of their mistake.
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If a LEO responds to a domestic violence call and witnesses an assault I suppose he is constitutionally bound not to enter the premises and detain the attacker..?...
 
Mljdeckard- Sorry i assumed that not being able to carry in a school building was illegal everywhere. It is in Ky.
 
I am all for a civilian armed presence at meetings with our leaders, it shows them that there are limits to their self serving decisions. However, anyone attempting to penetrate the security zone should be prevented from doing so and arrested. I know several shooters who are cooky enough that I would not want them anywhere near any person they disagreed with with a gun. Perfectly legal gun owners, fun to be at the range with them and swap stories, but not a rational thought in their head.
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finely worded sir-
 
If a LEO responds to a domestic violence call and witnesses an assault I suppose he is constitutionally bound not to enter the premises and detain the attacker..?...
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How does witnessing an assault have anything to do with peaceably bearing arms around the president?


I know several shooters who are cooky enough that I would not want them anywhere near any person they disagreed with with a gun. Perfectly legal gun owners, fun to be at the range with them and swap stories, but not a rational thought in their head.
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I wouldn't consider being at the range with an irrational person, "fun."
 
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