odd man out here--started 'real' guns at 12, 45 colt cattleman and a 30-30. re-loaded ( remember the Lee's with the hammer?) and practiced till i found what worked. short time later some adults caught me in there field and told my dad. what they told him was that i was a natural point shooter and to get me some more guns. 60 now and i have more guns and still re-load. except for checking out a gun to buy, cleaning or teaching, i do not play with them when they are unloaded.