Who Here Remembers How it was Before the GCA of 1968?

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"Still no answer form Tecumseh as to his age"

Hint: Look at his Profile. Do the math.

"how he remembers the times before the 68 act."

Same way I remember back before there were driver's licenses, my grandparents were all born in the 1890s. Same way I remember WWII, my parents. I know all sorts of things about the AAF and dozens of those little islands from New Guinea to the Philippines. My father's eardrums are still scarred from the ruptures he got flying. My mom told me about factory work and rationing and riding the train to Ohio to marry my father before he shipped out for the Pacific.

Short story: She showed up for a 2-day visit and he took her from the train station to buy needle and thread. He'd won just shy of $1000 playing cards and wanted her to sew it into her coat and take it back to Virginia. She did. That was a LOT of money.

Short story: At the beginning of WWI my grandfather rode the train east from the Valley to the coast and got a job building barracks. They were roofing a one-story building and heard this gosh-awful noise. When they looked up and behind them into the sun there was this thing coming after them. They jumped down off the roof. He used to love to tell this story and laugh. It was the first airplane any of them had ever seen.

I have gun stories, too, but they'll keep.

In 7th grade I could safely walk the more than two miles from school in downtown Baltimore to our house near Irvington in southwest. 1962. Come to think of it, the walk was safer than the school. :) See, I was cheap at an early age - I wanted to pocket the quarter streetcar fare. A box of Super-X .22 LR was about fifty cents back then.

Then we moved to Rockville in Montgomery County. That was a culture shock, being surrounded for the most part by a bunch of whitecollar government workers. Thank goodness I could still spend holidays and vacations in the mountains visiting my grandparents' farm and relatives' farms and do some camping, hunting, shooting, etc.

John
 
Gca 1968

I am 53, graduated HS in 1972. Of course I remember the general cultural difference in the 50s and 60s - heading out every night to play "army" with my pals; guns being sold in local shops; and kids being allowed to go of into the surrounding woods to hunt squirrels, etc. at a relatively young age - after finishing the firearms safety course taught at the junior high school to 7th grade boys; forearms training at the local YMCA camp.

A significant memory - the town built a new high school in the mid-60s for all the boomer kids. I recall going to gun shows held in the brand new open concourse of the high school. :eek: I don't recall the prices, but I am sure they would make me weep!
 
I can remember gas at .18 a gal in 1952, i was 12, I bought my first 22 at 9yrs old and carried it out of the store.it was nothing to see a few guns in school being worked on in shop.I thought everything was better back then, i don't remember any lynchings thou..
 
Fast forward to 2047.......I remember back around the turn of the century when I could buy an M16 for only a 1/4 of what I grossed in a year. Compare that to today. I have been waiting for my folding knife purchase permit to be approved by the ATW&E (Alcohol, Tobacco, Weapons, & Explosives) for 9 months now. Maybe one of my 9 references did not come through for me.
 
So I guess since Tecumseh is only 26 he doesn't have any memory of before the 68 act. I can understand that since he is a college student his mind has been filled with what the college wanted to teach. Too bad he doesn't get the truth about life before and after the 68 act. But then some people can't handle the truth LOL (Jack Nicholson)

jj
 
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In 1968 i was 29 years old and had nine years in the US Army. My brother and i grew up loving guns. In the mid 50s you could buy five different SMLE rifles for $100, shipping included: Included in the lot was the real jungle carbine. Italian Carcanos and Japanese rifles were usually less than $10. Mauser 98s were the most expensive of the battle rifles available in the 50s. They often went for $30: Don't recall us ever having one.

Cecil and i always hunted with foreign military rifles: Not because we had to, we had other high power rifles available. Our soft point ammunition came by Railway Express from Philip J. Medicus. 20 rounds of 6.5 Carcano cost $5 including shipping. Who remembers Railway Express?

Until we turned 18 my uncle usually did the ordering for us. I still have the 1939 made P-38 that i bought for $20 at a pawn shop. It is still pristine as is the 30. cal. P-08. Not sure what i paid for the P-08 but it was not much.

BTW: The 6.5 mm Italian soft point bullet was very deadly in deer. So was the 6.5mm Japanese. Their bullets were long for caliber and weighed 160 grains.

A poster has noted the violent crime rate was very low in 1968. Sympathy for violent criminals was non existent. In 1965 my then wife took a free gun handling and self defense class taught by an MD state trooper. The class was for females only. The trooper told his students: "If you shoot and wound a guy who is climbing through the window, drag the sob into the room and shoot him in the head. We want to hear only one story when we get there."

Then along came the 1968 feel good gun control act.
 
From the DOJ, here is the year & number of murders and non-negligent manslaughters. Firearms were used for the majority. Sorry I couldn’t find a just firearm stat.
1960- 9,110
1965- 9,960
1966- 11,040
1967- 12,240
1968- 13,800
1969- 14,760
1970- 16,000
1975- 20,510
1980- 23,040
1985- 18,980
1990- 23,440
1995- 21,610
2000- 15,586
2005- 16,692

I couldn’t go back to the ‘60’s but here is the DOJ homicide rate by handgun/other gun
1976- 8,651/ 3,328
1977- 8,563/ 3,391
1978- 8,879/ 3,569 3
1979- 9,858/ 3,732
1980- 10,552/ 4,439
1981- 10,324/ 3,740
1982- 9,137/ 3,501
1983- 8,472/ 2,794
1984- 8,183/ 2,835
1985- 8,165/ 2,973
1986- 9,054/ 3,126
1987- 8,781/ 3,094
1988- 9,375/ 3,162 3
1989- 10,225/ 3,197
1990- 11,677/ 3,395
1991- 13,101/ 3,277
1992- 13,158/ 3,043
1993- 13,981/ 3,094
1994- 13,496/ 2,840
1995- 12,052/ 2,679
1996- 10,731/ 2,533
1997- 9,705/ 2,631 2
1998- 8,844/ 2,168
1999- 7,943/ 2,174
2000- 7,985/ 2,218
2001- 7,900/ 2,239
2002- 8,286/ 2,538
2003- 8,830/ 2,223
2004- 8,304/ 2,357
2005- 8,478/ 2,868


And gun control has done exactly what?
 
I didn't read all the replies, so I'm sure someone has said something like this, but I remember when "Santa" bought my first gun, that "he" had ordered it on the phone from Sears/Roebuck. I know this because I found it hidden under my parents bed about a month before Christmas with the order slip taped to the box. :D Years later, my mother told me that she had ordered a single shot 410, but when it got there, it was so small she sent it back and ordered the 20 ga.

A year or so later, my mother called Sears again and ordered the first gun I ever paid for myself, (I was about 15, maybe 16.) a Sears branded, Stevens 311 double 12. (Cost 79.95 in the Sears catalog) It was delivered by I guess the mailman, or maybe a Sears delivery truck, one of the two, I forget now. Must have been about 66 or so.
 
So I guess since Tecumseh is onlt 26 he doesn't have any memory of before the 68 act. I can understand that since he is a college student his mind has been filled with what the college wanted to teach.

I think what Tecumseh was getting at was that the 50s and 60s were only memorable in a positive way if you happen to be white. All the benefits of things like machinegun ownership and firearms in the mail was all well and good, unless you happened to be black and the CLEO would automatically deny you or if your sears rifle got "lost in the mail". There were no gun restrictions (barring the Sullivan Act) for white people, but for a black person to get a gun in the 50s and 60s was very difficult in many places.

While I differ with Tecumseh on social issues, I think to belittle him and question his 2A commitment is silly. I think some people just don't like to face the truth about the past. There WAS segregation and the 50s and the 60s were awful for a large group of people. Yeah, you guys got your deer guns from the sears catalog... Let's all drink to that, but some of us from separate water fountains.

Here's what I'd question some of you old timers on: If your 2A commitment was so high, how come you only bought "huntin' rifles". Where are the MGs and other class 3 items? Nobody bought a Sten? I tell you now, if there were no import restrictions and no frozen MG list, there'd be a crate-full of Norinco Type 56s with happy switches waiting for me at my front door.
 
Here's what I'd question some of you old timers on: If your 2A commitment was so high, how come you only bought "huntin' rifles".

Where ever did you get the idea that none of us bought some class three stuff:D

jj

I should show you my picture in Small Arms Review
 
There WAS segregation and the 50s and the 60s were awful for a large group of people. Yeah, you guys got your deer guns from the sears catalog... Let's all drink to that, but some of us from separate water fountains.

Now that segregation is over do you feel safer??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316101,00.html


BALTIMORE — A white woman beaten by a group of black students on a bus has prompted a hate-crime investigation, attempts by transit officials to reassure riders of the safety of the system, and radio talk-show chatter over comparisons with the Jena Six case....

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No I am not a segregationist and have many black friends and co-workers. However there is still a kind of segregation that if you are white you are not welcome in some black neighborhoods to the point they will beat the crap out of you.

It used to be that way in the south for blacks going into white neighborhoods but things change. The 68 gun control act was just one of the changes. Do you think America today is a better place??

jim
 
I don't think gun control has done anything to help blacks (negroes, back then).

Correlating the two is like saying "yeah, but remember the bad storm we had the winter of XX"

Well the thread was started on the 68 act but others brought in segregation. To not answer what I think is to ignore what they ask. Before the 68 act life was good for some and bad for others and so it is today also. The question I have is America better for the changes or would we like a life like before the act?? Has each gun control act made America better??

jj
 
Looking at the thread title, "Who Here Remembers How it was Before the GCA of 1968?", I just assumed it was about guns and gun laws. I guess I missed something, not that I've ever been able to stay on topic for very long. Since it appears we've opened it up to life in general before 1968, I'll ramble on.

Dern schools didn't have air conditioning. Cars or houses either, unless you were rich. Cars, ha, more like rust buckets, but we lived in Balmer and D.C.

I remember automobile travel before the Interstate system. To get from Baltimore to Charlottesville we had to drive through D.C. on Rt. 50, which was just plain old city streets, one stoplight after another. My father was born in 1922 and remembers when the road (now U.S. 29) from Charlottesville to Lynchburg was dirt and a real mess when it rained hard. My grandparents remembered having to back a T-model up Afton mountain (southern end of Shennandoah Park) to keep the gas tank above the engine so it'd feed.

If you wanted a gun you bought it. If you broke the law they came to get you.

John
 
I was 13 in 1968 and had owned guns for a couple of years by then. A good friend of my Dad owned the local gun shop and I was welcome there. I bought my first pistol back then, a S&W snubnosed that I thought was the coolest thing ever. The mention of Herters made me remember the first time me and a buddy drove down to Waseca Minnesota and actually went in the Herters store - amazing place. Bottom line is laws are only effective when folks obey them and we will always have people that choose not to.

Thanks to Kevin for the trip back in time, I remember a lot of these ads from times past...
 
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