Who says 7.62x39 doesn't kill deer.

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Like the .30-30 the x39’s only limitation is range. There are a boat load of poached elephant and rhino killed every year by AK’s using military ball ammo in 7.62x39. It is the communist gift that will eventually wipe out African mega fauna. To say it won’t kill a deer is just ignorant.
 
Please post your experiences with deer and 7.62x39 if you have any.
I have some. All good. Mainly bang-flops, no runners. With proper bullets and shot placement the x39 is a great deer round all the way up to 150-180yd. A lightweight carbine is a great choice, especially for driven and stalking hunts and can hold its own in stand hunting as long as you keep the somewhat limited range in mind. For me it bridges the cap between .44Mag (carbine) and .308Win (rifle) and has recently become my go-to caliber for deer.
 
I have killed several deer with 7.62x39, more than all other calibers combined. Unless you are going to have the extended range [over 200 yards] shooting opportunities that are more common out west, it is an excellent caliber choice. Even with an SKS, get a trigger job and a rear TechSight and you are good to go.
 
My SKS rifle actually came with a crisp trigger. My 16" carbine, not so much, typical creep. I used to order a lot of 'em when I had my kitchen table dealer's license and seemed 1 out of 10 would have a decent trigger. I hunt with the rifle. It has a scope mount I bought 25 years ago that mounts with screws that had to be drilled and tapped, not a big job. I am running a Bushnell 3x9x40 on it. It started life at 8 lbs and with the scope it tops nine. So much for "light weight". LOL! But, I'm stand hunting hogs after dark usually and the scope has very good light gathering qualities. The green laser spotlight I put on the scope adds weight, too. But, you don't worry about that sort of thing sitting in a box blind. It was never as handy as my .357 magnum Rossi 92 lever carbine, but hey, that gun is REALLY range limited, 100 yards max. The SKS sighted 3" high at 100 is spot on at 200 and still carrying over 900 ft lbs. It's fully capable of killing deer to that range, though I have never taken one past 80 yards with it.
 
Well it seems the hunter in my area are just uneducated about what it takes to harvest deer. Just today a coworker and me were talking about hunting and he made the comment that a 30-06 is minimum he will use on deer. He uses a 270 WSM the most and only shoots right before season then hunts. He said 20 rounds will last him 3 years.

I said I can't shoot stuff like that because of my shoulder (has screws in it) I told him what use, pretty much all suitable AR-15 cartridges 7.62x39 is what I'm currently using and he said "you actually kill deer with those wimpy guns" I said "I kill them just as dead as your 270 WSM does and I practice all year round and I do it with cheaper ammo and less than 1/2 the recoil." You tell me which one makes more sense for a clean ethical kill" he didn't have anything to say.
 
I have also used a SKS for a deer rifle and with soft point bullets it works fine. I shot a real nice10 pointer, over 200 lbs., with one at about 15 yards.The main limitation was accuracy. Lets be clear, the 30 30 shoots a much heavier bullet and has a great deal more energy and sectional density. They are not the same thing. Also In my experience a .223 with commercial soft point ammo is better because it does cause more wound damage but either round works well on big deer. The SKS and AK very rugged and are easy on the shoulder and if you can get a Saiga you have decent accuracy too.
 
I have also used a SKS for a deer rifle and with soft point bullets it works fine. I shot a real nice10 pointer, over 200 lbs., with one at about 15 yards.The main limitation was accuracy. Lets be clear, the 30 30 shoots a much heavier bullet and has a great deal more energy and sectional density. They are not the same thing. Also In my experience a .223 with commercial soft point ammo is better because it does cause more wound damage but either round works well on big deer. The SKS and AK very rugged and are easy on the shoulder and if you can get a Saiga you have decent accuracy too.

I shoot a 154 grain factory soft point in my SKS. The biggest bullet in .30-30 is a 170 flat point and, personally, I've never used more'n a 150 in the .30-30 and have killed a half dozen deer with it, one out of a rifle and one out of a 12" pistol at 90 yards, the rest at shorter ranges out of the Contender pistol.. The 150 Nosler BT load I use in .30-30 from the pistol (no longer own the rifle) leaves a 12" barrel at 2050 fps. The 154 grain Wolf load fires 2200 fps out of my 20" SKS. You tell ME which carries more velocity/energy. :rolleyes: The difference is negligible even if the .30-30 is fired from a rifle. I didn't have a Chronograph when I owned that rifle, but the manuals all stated 2400 fps, but when I finally got a chronograph, I measured factory 150 RN out of a friend's pre-64 M94 Winchester at just under 2200 fps.

I mean, it ain't like the .30-30 can break 3000 fps AND a factory 154 soft point has a better BC than a 150 flat point and will have a much better effective range. I consider the 7.62x39 as a semi-auto .30-30. The numbers back me up. Both will kill deer quite dead with the right bullet. In fact, I think if I hadn't stumbled on this excellent 154 Wolf, I'd probably be handloading flat or RN .30-30 bullets in the x39. But, there are other alternatives to the handloader now days in .311". Accuracy is adequate to 200 yards. Even a .308" bullet will generally group 6" at 200 yards. The 154s are slightly more accurate and will group 5" at 200 yards. A deer's kill zone on the shoulder is around 12", so if you can keep 'em on an 8" paper plate, that'll do. No, it's not as accurate as my 1/2 MOA .257 Roberts or my 3/4 MOA .308 Winchester, but in the woods, it'll get the job done. And the gun is heavy as I've described, so it's quite soft on a tender shoulder.

The accuracy of the x39 is extremely good out of a strong bolt action rifle. I'm convinced it's an inherently accurate round. The SKS doesn't do it justice far as accuracy goes. A bolt gun will be a lot lighter and felt recoil will be rougher, though, if you have issues with that. No worse than a 6 lb .30-30, though, and in fact a little lighter I'd imagine without running the numbers. .30-30 holds a little more 3031 than the x39 holds 4198. :D
 
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I have used the 7.62X39 out of my SKS to take a few deer and more than a few Dogyotes... I used the Wolf 154gr SP on the deer ...
But if I took my SKS to the woods for whitetails I'd consider this offering from Hornady
 
I shoot a 154 grain factory soft point in my SKS. The biggest bullet in .30-30 is a 170 flat point and, personally, I've never used more'n a 150 in the .30-30 and have killed a half dozen deer with it, one out of a rifle and one out of a 12" pistol at 90 yards, the rest at shorter ranges out of the Contender pistol.. The 150 Nosler BT load I use in .30-30 from the pistol (no longer own the rifle) leaves a 12" barrel at 2050 fps. The 154 grain Wolf load fires 2200 fps out of my 20" SKS. You tell ME which carries more velocity/energy. :rolleyes: The difference is negligible even if the .30-30 is fired from a rifle. I didn't have a Chronograph when I owned that rifle, but the manuals all stated 2400 fps, but when I finally got a chronograph, I measured factory 150 RN out of a friend's pre-64 M94 Winchester at just under 2200 fps.

I mean, it ain't like the .30-30 can break 3000 fps AND a factory 154 soft point has a better BC than a 150 flat point and will have a much better effective range. I consider the 7.62x39 as a semi-auto .30-30. The numbers back me up. Both will kill deer quite dead with the right bullet. In fact, I think if I hadn't stumbled on this excellent 154 Wolf, I'd probably be handloading flat or RN .30-30 bullets in the x39. But, there are other alternatives to the handloader now days in .311". Accuracy is adequate to 200 yards. Even a .308" bullet will generally group 6" at 200 yards. The 154s are slightly more accurate and will group 5" at 200 yards. A deer's kill zone on the shoulder is around 12", so if you can keep 'em on an 8" paper plate, that'll do. No, it's not as accurate as my 1/2 MOA .257 Roberts or my 3/4 MOA .308 Winchester, but in the woods, it'll get the job done. And the gun is heavy as I've described, so it's quite soft on a tender shoulder.

The accuracy of the x39 is extremely good out of a strong bolt action rifle. I'm convinced it's an inherently accurate round. The SKS doesn't do it justice far as accuracy goes. A bolt gun will be a lot lighter and felt recoil will be rougher, though, if you have issues with that. No worse than a 6 lb .30-30, though, and in fact a little lighter I'd imagine without running the numbers. .30-30 holds a little more 3031 than the x39 holds 4198. :D

You have a point, I am not familiar with those loads. I am referring to factory loads with compare a 170 grain bullet against 124 grain bullet at about the same advertised velocity and out of a '94 and an SKS. Like most other shooters are using. But since you handload and use pistols and other weapons you are not limited to those choices. I have also heard that the x39 is accurate in a bolt action. That is moot to me as if I am going to use a bolt action I am going with something faster, I prefer a 7-08. It has a lot more range with a little penalty in recoil. I down sized from a 7MM mag.
 
You have a point, I am not familiar with those loads. I am referring to factory loads with compare a 170 grain bullet against 124 grain bullet at about the same advertised velocity and out of a '94 and an SKS. Like most other shooters are using. But since you handload and use pistols and other weapons you are not limited to those choices. I have also heard that the x39 is accurate in a bolt action. That is moot to me as if I am going to use a bolt action I am going with something faster, I prefer a 7-08. It has a lot more range with a little penalty in recoil. I down sized from a 7MM mag.

Well, the OP is wanting reduced recoil and just wanted to know if the x39 would kill deer. Simple answer is yes and I've done it. Of course there are a lot of lower recoil rounds that will kill deer....the .243 off hand.
 
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Simple answer is yes and I've done it.
That's the bottom line.

As a sidenote, one mid-priced alternative to those who prefer factory ammo is S&B 123gr SP. It's loaded fairly hot - 2440fps actual V0 - as it is, the bullet mushrooms and retains weight very nicely even at lower velocities of longer shooting distances and it's also brass cased. My Sako and Mini 30 seem to like it, too. ~3" 5-shot groups at 200yd are the norm from a cold barrel. Great BFTB.
 
The 7.62X39 has built quite a reputation as a deer round ...and as you have seen they are several really good choices in ammo choices from 123gr SP , 123gr ballistic tip to 154gr SP ... all work extremely well at the attended velocity .....
With Ruger introducing the Ranch Carbine in 7.62x39 ... it has solidified the 7.62x39 as a deer round .. with increased accuracy ...
Would I grab one of my SKS's over one of my 336's in 30-30 for a deer hunt? ...nope ... I have filled to many freezers with a 30-30 ... The 170gr Winchester PP , is a tough bullet .. I have made a few rakeing shots on big whitetail ... That bullet will expand and penetrate like no tomorrow..
I see allot of comparisons here with the 7.62X39 to the 30-30 ...
The 30-30 brings alot more to the table.... and has for over 100yrs ... Myself I feel the
30-30 as , My deer cartridge,

But having said that ... The 7.62x39 , with a proper bullet ..will deliver ...I have taked several whitetail with the Tula 154gr SP .. bang flops ..didn't recover and bullets .. and if my memory serves me correctly, one was hit in the shoulder breaking bones and exiting...

and with the Hornady 123gr ballistic tip with the Ruger American carbine,
it is good tool in the shed..
 
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Everything you are doing is right in line for deer hunting. I believe people get caught up in the ADVERTISING end that bigger is better. Stick with what works for you. Always pick the best bullet for the job and placement is key. Good luck in the future!
 
Would I grab one of my SKS's over one of my 336's in 30-30 for a deer hunt?
That's a question (in general, not just SKS / 336) that's best answered by considering what kind of hunt it'll be. 336 is a reasonably lightweight and fast-handling rifle and not much different from SKS in that regard. So the .30-30 will be an advantage. Personally my next step in .30-diameter calibers is .308 and all my rifles in that caliber are a bit heavy. Great for stand hunting and longer shots. For driven and moving hunts and anything up to 200, maybe even 250yd I'll grab the x39, only because the carbine is so much lighter to lug around. Never had a .30-30, though, but it'd definitely be a strong contender for the job.
 
That's a question (in general, not just SKS / 336) that's best answered by considering what kind of hunt it'll be. 336 is a reasonably lightweight and fast-handling rifle and not much different from SKS in that regard. So the .30-30 will be an advantage. Personally my next step in .30-diameter calibers is .308 and all my rifles in that caliber are a bit heavy. Great for stand hunting and longer shots. For driven and moving hunts and anything up to 200, maybe even 250yd I'll grab the x39, only because the carbine is so much lighter to lug around. Never had a .30-30, though, but it'd definitely be a strong contender for the job.

Well, far as I'm concerned, you all can keep you're .30-30s. :D My Remington stainless M7 in .308 is quite light even with a scope mounted, is as at home in the woods in a box blind as it is walking a canyon rim in the mountains. I have a 2x10x40 Weaver on it that matches the versatility of the rifle. So, I don't need no stinkin' .30-30. :D

As I've stated, my SKS is a pig gun. I generally smack pigs from 50 yards or closer. The 154 Wolf lays 'em out. :D There are times when a semi auto will get you a pig or two more when a bolt gun or even a lever gun won't. When I hunt deer, it's daylight, of course. My go to is my .308, woods or mountains or hill country. I'd considered hunting with my M4 in .223 for pigs, but the 7.62 lays down more horsepower at pig ranges. I've considered a x39 upper or maybe a .450 Bushmaster, but I run with what I have used for 25 years and it works just fine, even better with this up to date laser spotlamp. :D If I could justify the expense of another AR upper, heck, I could probably justify the expense of thermal optics. But, then, pork is cheap at the store. :rofl:
 
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One of one of my favorite cartridges, I can go through several thousand rounds a year. I have 2 ARs, 1 Ruger ranch, one Cz 527, and 3 AKs in this caliber. I have gotten rid of a Ruger Mini 30. I have shot numerous hogs and witnessed many does and 3 bucks falling to the caliber. One of these was 250#. All have had short tracking with vital hits. We use the SST or any .308 bullet we choose including that FTX in 135, 140 and 160gr. We have had excellent results with cast. All shots have been within 200 yards, and the most impressive at that distance. I wouldn't take the gun to a place I had to shoot further. I have hit a coyote fairly easily at 300 yards. We practice a lot at yardages to 400 yards.

One thing I have not done is used the inexpensive Russian ammo on game. I have done some bullet tests, and find the Barnaul and Tula soft points to expand well in water, but have not tried it on real game. I suppose that will happen this winter on our pig hunt. I do have quite a bit of confidence surprisingly in the Hornady bullets including the SST steel loading. Its not going particularly fast, but in our hands, its been very deadly while at the same time not blowing up the carcass. The bolt action carbines are very light and handy and particularly like the no nonsense Ruger. I'm not particularly worried about taking care of it, so it has become my farm gun. Its on the Kawasaki no matter what I'm doing. In the CZ and Ruger, they are among the most accurate field rifles I have.
I hunt with my ar, cz 527 with wolf WPA 125 SP and always have exit holes. Anything up to 225 is mine. Here is what the exit wound look like today on a button buck.

Steve
 
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There are times when a semi auto will get you a pig or two more when a bolt gun or even a lever gun won't. When I hunt deer, it's daylight, of course.
All my go-to hunting rifles and carbines are semiautos hence the caliber-dependent weight penalty. Intermediate cartridges are one solution. Of course I have a bunch of bolt and lever rifles, even a pump rifle, dedicated to hunting abroad where artificial semiauto bans are in effect. As well as true wilderness hunts when you have to carry everything from sleeping bags and tents to sufficient firepower to down a moose or brown bear. A full day's hike or more to even get to the hunting area makes weight a serious consideration.

But I digress. Medium game at up to a couple of hundred yards == dinner and the hopefully rare possibility of HONKing up the first shot is less of an issue when you can put two more in it with manageable recoil in a second or two, retaining the sight picture.

All things considered, a x39 semiauto fits the bill nicely, IME. The contents of my freezer seem to confirm that. Backstraps, anyone? :)
 
20181117_170449.jpg I have killed multiple deer with the x39mm and have been very impressed by the results. Mostly bang flops and appears to hit hard even with 123gr pills.

One of my boys took his 1st deer two weeks ago with my CZ 527 carbine. Doe at 112yds, bang flop! I'm very proud of him (and my CZ)
 
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