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No Glock hater here...I love my G19/G32 and my 4 Govt. 1911 .45s 
Why all the Glock hate?
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Lobotomy Boy
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Kurt wrote:
I like to use this name because it weeds out weak minds. When such weak minds have absolutely no logical basis to support their thesis, they resort to pathetic attempts at humor based on my Internet name. It's like a test that you failed.
Shoudek wrote:
Shoudek, you fail that test on so many levels I don't even know where to begin. It makes me wonder if your name has a deeper meaning or if it is simply a misspelling.
I like to use this name because it weeds out weak minds. When such weak minds have absolutely no logical basis to support their thesis, they resort to pathetic attempts at humor based on my Internet name. It's like a test that you failed.
Shoudek wrote:
Shoudek, you fail that test on so many levels I don't even know where to begin. It makes me wonder if your name has a deeper meaning or if it is simply a misspelling.
So from reading all the BS on this thread I find that if one has owned Glocks for many years and have fired thousands of rounds without a single malfunction then we must keep this info to ourselves or we will told we have a mental problem for trusting this pistol.
If some of us have owned almost everything else over the years and found that a Glock works better for us than anything else we tried we must not admit it.
I wonder just what sort of mental problem would make one chose to carry a pistol that has proven itself to the owner for years? Is using logic and common sense considered wrong today?
I really don't consider it a serious mental problem to base ones choice of a carry gun on performance and reliability instead of what "looks cool" or any other stupid reason.
I will continue to carry and shoot Glocks no matter what anyone thinks of my mental state.
If some of us have owned almost everything else over the years and found that a Glock works better for us than anything else we tried we must not admit it.
I wonder just what sort of mental problem would make one chose to carry a pistol that has proven itself to the owner for years? Is using logic and common sense considered wrong today?
I really don't consider it a serious mental problem to base ones choice of a carry gun on performance and reliability instead of what "looks cool" or any other stupid reason.
I will continue to carry and shoot Glocks no matter what anyone thinks of my mental state.
Lobotomy Boy, here all this time I had you pegged as just another uniformed and insensitive Glock apologist. But you really are quite emotional – aren’t you.
You are also a smaller master of being off-topic (a lot), and I don’t wish to contribute along those lines too far, but you have been very much fun to play with.
I am happy to leave judgment to the good members of the board as to who of us has the firmer mind.
You are also a smaller master of being off-topic (a lot), and I don’t wish to contribute along those lines too far, but you have been very much fun to play with.
I am happy to leave judgment to the good members of the board as to who of us has the firmer mind.
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Kurt, I can't respond to that without resorting to a cliche about the pot commenting on the color of the kettle.
Boy! you call me Boy! I've been from Maine to Spain, from Austin to Boston, I've seen a hundred acres of pigs scrappin' in a 10 acre lot.....I've got |3@lls the size of pickle jars, and you call me BOY!
Tactical poser.
Ah yes.....the test. Well, at least we know they got all of your frontal lobe labotomy boy.
Gramps.....here's someone you can all BOY all the day long.
Why do all the Glock posers take this stuff seriously? Its like their very manhood is being called into question!
Thanks for the opportunity to get beautifully back on topic shoudek.
For the answers you seek, just re-read a few of the posts here. Many honest folks have already confirmed that it’s a significantly large segment of Glock owners that’s a huge part of the answer to the question that’s being asked by this thread. And that’s before even considering the trigger, grip, lack of soul, style etc. Just use common sense and reason - drives ‘em absolutely silly.
Lobotomy Boy, as Grandpa always sez to Grandma - “Yer’ talkin’…… but yer not sayin’ nutinâ
For the answers you seek, just re-read a few of the posts here. Many honest folks have already confirmed that it’s a significantly large segment of Glock owners that’s a huge part of the answer to the question that’s being asked by this thread. And that’s before even considering the trigger, grip, lack of soul, style etc. Just use common sense and reason - drives ‘em absolutely silly.
Lobotomy Boy, as Grandpa always sez to Grandma - “Yer’ talkin’…… but yer not sayin’ nutinâ
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Thought this banner to be On topic.. LOL
Lobotomy Boy
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Just because it went over your head doesn't mean it was "nutin."
In fact, you bring me back to my point--you obviously lost the argument based on logic when you resorted to attacking the source.
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Wheweee, leave a subject for but a short while, and look what happens. Hey, Lobo, you seem to be getting a bit defensive. To be honest, it does start to sound odd when one starts defending himself by calling himself logical, that his choices are logical, and why do people pick on him for being logical (and the whole "you failed my test" thing is particularly, well, Glockite-like).
Look, those who like, love, worship, wish they could marry if only the laws on the subject were exanded to inanimate objects, Glocks, those who find the Glock to be the ideal platform for their use, those who compete and shoot a million rounds without the Glock even heating up, enjoy your choice. You shoot and carry a fine pistol as a general rule. It is not, however, the best handgun in the world. There are far too many criteria for any handgun to make that mark. Live with the fact that so many will not agree with you. They don't have to, and CZ, H&K, Steyr, S&W, SIG, and many others DO make pistols of equal reliability and durability, even if they don't have Gaston's name on them.
To those who think that Gaston and son are evil Nazi scientists who seek to destroy the world and realized that making shovels wouldn't do it, who think that the sun comes up because they happen to open their eyes and will it so, they really aren't that bad. I know, I know, it is more a response to folks who are posers with their Glocks. Heck, that is where my own dislike comes from, but, well, they are good pistols. But remember, apart from the Mall Ninjas who have wet dreams about being neo SWAT-Force Recon-Stormtroopers, people do choose Glocks for logical, well-thought out reasons.
Ash
Look, those who like, love, worship, wish they could marry if only the laws on the subject were exanded to inanimate objects, Glocks, those who find the Glock to be the ideal platform for their use, those who compete and shoot a million rounds without the Glock even heating up, enjoy your choice. You shoot and carry a fine pistol as a general rule. It is not, however, the best handgun in the world. There are far too many criteria for any handgun to make that mark. Live with the fact that so many will not agree with you. They don't have to, and CZ, H&K, Steyr, S&W, SIG, and many others DO make pistols of equal reliability and durability, even if they don't have Gaston's name on them.
To those who think that Gaston and son are evil Nazi scientists who seek to destroy the world and realized that making shovels wouldn't do it, who think that the sun comes up because they happen to open their eyes and will it so, they really aren't that bad. I know, I know, it is more a response to folks who are posers with their Glocks. Heck, that is where my own dislike comes from, but, well, they are good pistols. But remember, apart from the Mall Ninjas who have wet dreams about being neo SWAT-Force Recon-Stormtroopers, people do choose Glocks for logical, well-thought out reasons.
Ash
I fully concur with these recent opinions aimed at many Glock users. They are indeed a part of the problem, rather than any foreseeable solution.
Lobo Boy,
While we’ve been cordial in the past, I must also concur that you’re posting a lot of gibberish, teasing people and sucking air…bigtime. This is a great place to “show what you got†as far as Glock pistols are concerned.
W
Lobo Boy,
While we’ve been cordial in the past, I must also concur that you’re posting a lot of gibberish, teasing people and sucking air…bigtime. This is a great place to “show what you got†as far as Glock pistols are concerned.
W
Part of what problem. I don't see any problem. Some people carry Glocks because they are good reliable guns and they trust them and they shoot them well.
Glock owners will defend their guns from the lies and assorted BS that some morons that know nothing about the guns tend to sling around and all other gun owners do the exact same thing.
Tell some 1911 owners THEY have a mental problem because they assume their antique guns are the best choice.
They will react exactly the same way but no one seems to think they are nuts.
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This thread needs to be closed. Some are stooping very, very low at this point.
Lobotomy Boy
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Don't worry, Ash, I'm not angry. I just feel it is my civic duty to point out ad hominem attacks when they occur. Part of the reason so much nonsense gets spread around as fact is because we allow ad hominem attacks to go unchecked. The typical tactic of people who resort to such attacks is to do them with a blustery sense of self-righteous indignation, while in the same breath accusing the victim of such attacks of being the perpetrator.
Take, for example, the hypothetical argument that, while every sensible person agrees that Glocks function well and offer good value for the money, some argue that they are bad guns because they have no "soul." This is fine--it is simply an opinion. The problem occurs when the Glock haters offer as another reason for their bizarre hatred the fact that they hate Glocks because people who buy Glocks are obnoxious, a classic ad hominem attack. When someone who likes Glocks points out that it is the Glock haters who have resorted to name calling by saying Glock fans are obnoxious--an ad hominem attack--the response is, "That's about what I expected from someone named ______." In other words, these people are obnoxiously insulting another group of people, whom they accuse of being obnoxious, and defending one ad hominem attack by perpetrating another ad hominem attack.
The circuity of this would almost be sublime, if it wasn't having such devastating consequences in our society. While people who have their eyes open catch on to these ad hominem attacks immediately, the vast majority of uncritical "sheeple" swallow them hook, line, and sinker. That can't be helped, but it has created a mess in this country, where hypocritical blowhards on all sides of the political spectrum wield far too much authority. I feel a moral obligation to at least point out ad hominem attacks when they occur. I understand that this is self-righteous on my own part, thinking I can make a difference, but I see where this lack of logical discourse is taking the country and I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least try to make a difference. Perhaps naively, I feel it is my civic duty. If this is "teasing" or "sucking air," so be it. At least I'm in good company.
Take, for example, the hypothetical argument that, while every sensible person agrees that Glocks function well and offer good value for the money, some argue that they are bad guns because they have no "soul." This is fine--it is simply an opinion. The problem occurs when the Glock haters offer as another reason for their bizarre hatred the fact that they hate Glocks because people who buy Glocks are obnoxious, a classic ad hominem attack. When someone who likes Glocks points out that it is the Glock haters who have resorted to name calling by saying Glock fans are obnoxious--an ad hominem attack--the response is, "That's about what I expected from someone named ______." In other words, these people are obnoxiously insulting another group of people, whom they accuse of being obnoxious, and defending one ad hominem attack by perpetrating another ad hominem attack.
The circuity of this would almost be sublime, if it wasn't having such devastating consequences in our society. While people who have their eyes open catch on to these ad hominem attacks immediately, the vast majority of uncritical "sheeple" swallow them hook, line, and sinker. That can't be helped, but it has created a mess in this country, where hypocritical blowhards on all sides of the political spectrum wield far too much authority. I feel a moral obligation to at least point out ad hominem attacks when they occur. I understand that this is self-righteous on my own part, thinking I can make a difference, but I see where this lack of logical discourse is taking the country and I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least try to make a difference. Perhaps naively, I feel it is my civic duty. If this is "teasing" or "sucking air," so be it. At least I'm in good company.
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Ah, I see. Good luck on your crusade. But let me ask:
Why does it bother you that folks would mention "soul" in a handgun? For that matter, if folks are being so very illogical, why would you even wish to change their minds? Can, indeed, people with either such limited intellect or capacity to think with reasoned thought be convinced that their choices are flawed?
Take me, for instance. I cannot be convinced to purchase or use a Glock. I already acknowledge that they are serviceable firearms, not the ultimate by an means, just good quality. I am a user of the CZ, which you have pointed out is certainly a flawed design, especially with its external safety and heavy steel frame. Can you in any way convince me of the error of my ways? Yet, I would be one of the "enlightened" who has a 9mm (a strike against me, though, that I have a .45ACP as well). Now, the truly backward who favor a design so utterly antique as the 1911, can they be convinced otherwise? Truly some can, as there are those who have both in this forum. But what of the others? If not, what then?
And, as you will certainly be doing us the service of pointing out needless statements given by the metal-frame-gotta-have-hammer-and-external-safety-heads out there, being as educated as you are with the qualities of Glock, can we then assume you will do the same when utterences of perfection come floating on the breeze? Admittedly this would be beyond the scope of your goals of providing service and most certainly will be carried by those more willing. Yet even so, will not the urge creep foreward to correct there, too? It would seem logical at any rate.
Ash
Why does it bother you that folks would mention "soul" in a handgun? For that matter, if folks are being so very illogical, why would you even wish to change their minds? Can, indeed, people with either such limited intellect or capacity to think with reasoned thought be convinced that their choices are flawed?
Take me, for instance. I cannot be convinced to purchase or use a Glock. I already acknowledge that they are serviceable firearms, not the ultimate by an means, just good quality. I am a user of the CZ, which you have pointed out is certainly a flawed design, especially with its external safety and heavy steel frame. Can you in any way convince me of the error of my ways? Yet, I would be one of the "enlightened" who has a 9mm (a strike against me, though, that I have a .45ACP as well). Now, the truly backward who favor a design so utterly antique as the 1911, can they be convinced otherwise? Truly some can, as there are those who have both in this forum. But what of the others? If not, what then?
And, as you will certainly be doing us the service of pointing out needless statements given by the metal-frame-gotta-have-hammer-and-external-safety-heads out there, being as educated as you are with the qualities of Glock, can we then assume you will do the same when utterences of perfection come floating on the breeze? Admittedly this would be beyond the scope of your goals of providing service and most certainly will be carried by those more willing. Yet even so, will not the urge creep foreward to correct there, too? It would seem logical at any rate.
Ash
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I'm really disappointed by this thread. I read the first page or so when it got going. Today I caught up on the details.
As far as I can see, the last few pages have consisted largely of posts demeaning Glock owners (rather than saying anything about the gun) and a few posts from people who are satisfied with Glocks and said so. The real irony is that a lot of the criticism has to do with Glock owners being irrational and emotional, when I see the exact opposite. Maybe I missed all the good, reasonable opposition to Glocks in pages 2-4. Or, maybe not...
As far as I can see, the last few pages have consisted largely of posts demeaning Glock owners (rather than saying anything about the gun) and a few posts from people who are satisfied with Glocks and said so. The real irony is that a lot of the criticism has to do with Glock owners being irrational and emotional, when I see the exact opposite. Maybe I missed all the good, reasonable opposition to Glocks in pages 2-4. Or, maybe not...
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theres no perfect wife, theres no perfect place,theres no perfect drug, and theres no perfect Gun/Weapon. everything has its up sides and down sides .
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I admit it Ash--I'm guilty of tilting at windmills. And in no way do I want to pursuade you to buy anything you don't like. I like all the guns you list, even my flawed CZ (I tried a different hammer spring in it last week and it made a world of difference). I have even flirted with buying a 1911, and may still do so, if the new Taurus will accept off-the-shelf upgrades. If you re-read my posts, nowhere have I denigrated any other type of gun, nor tried to convince anyone to buy a Glock. And I certainly have not claimed Glock to be a perfect gun.
I do have a problem with people using the word "soul" for inanimate objects, not because of any theological reasons, but because in my experience relying on the "soul" argument has universally been the last resort of someone not understanding what they are talking about. In the motorcycle world, where I earn my living, some Harley riders wear t-shirts that read: "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand." My response to that is, "If you can't explain, you probably don't understand it yourself." (For the record, you clearly understand it yourself, so please don't take that as a personal insult.)
My reasons for liking Glocks are simple to explain--they are inexpensive, dead-nuts reliable, and they make me look like a much better shooter than I really am. That's all the "soul" I need.
I do have a problem with people using the word "soul" for inanimate objects, not because of any theological reasons, but because in my experience relying on the "soul" argument has universally been the last resort of someone not understanding what they are talking about. In the motorcycle world, where I earn my living, some Harley riders wear t-shirts that read: "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand." My response to that is, "If you can't explain, you probably don't understand it yourself." (For the record, you clearly understand it yourself, so please don't take that as a personal insult.)
My reasons for liking Glocks are simple to explain--they are inexpensive, dead-nuts reliable, and they make me look like a much better shooter than I really am. That's all the "soul" I need.
The nucleus of this thread is asking why all the Glock hate.
If this thread were asking why all the Islamic hate, could anyone be so naïve as to not consider the Islamic extremists?
Why all the Taxi cab hate? ....... Chevys?
For the Glock Crusaders; I believe I can easily see some bigger issues other than just defending your Glocks. I am going bye-bye around here before something breaks.
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If this thread were asking why all the Islamic hate, could anyone be so naïve as to not consider the Islamic extremists?
Why all the Taxi cab hate? ....... Chevys?
For the Glock Crusaders; I believe I can easily see some bigger issues other than just defending your Glocks. I am going bye-bye around here before something breaks.
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