1911 and Glock Reliability - By Design?

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Reliability is very simple in concept, less so in application.

The number of parts has NOTHING to do with being reliable. Jennings have few parts and from personal experience, they are not reliable. CZ-75's have many parts, and they are reliable. Glocks are reliable with few parts, 1911's are reliable if in original specs and are reliable. Tokarevs have many parts and are reliable, etc, etc, etc.

What does matter is the geometry of the round exiting the magazine and entering the chamber, then the case being removed from the chamber and ejected from the pistol. There is a perfect relationship between the magazine, feed ramp, and chamber that must be attained to have reliable feeding. This relationship can be flawed by bad magazines, or bad angles between the magazine and chamber, or too much gap, or several other factors. Getting it just right techincally should be a matter of getting the formula right in the first place and then replicating it. The slide must be able to move freely, so into the design comes the need to run in dirt/mud/fouling. This is so that the perfect relationship between magazine and chamber can be maintianed and nothing more (the amount of play often ensures this, but other things can as well).

You then must have the right relationship between the ejector and extractor in order to remove the round and eject it. Proper design of both of these will ensure reliability. Design either one poorly, with poor angles or materials or grasping surfaces, or spring strength and you have failures to extract or eject.

Fundamentally, there are perfect angles for each round and each pistol should idealy be designed around each round only. Much of the time, this is more trial and error than exact science. However, should enough study be employed, there can be established the optimum angle, distance, etc. for each caliber of ammo (and of course, this would have to be a generalization based on different types and weights of ammo).

Achieving the symetry mentioned above is technically not that insurmountable. It can come from measuring the angles of successful designs and using that as guides.

Simplicity of parts has nothing to do with reliability save for where parts breakage comes into play, and this can be eliminated with quality parts. But in most cases, a pistol breaking is not the cause or reliability problems. As I mentioned above, there are very comlex pistols that are reliable and very simple pistols that are reliable, there are very complex pistols that are not reliable, just as there are simple pistols that are not reliable. The 1908 Parabellum is not reliable but complex just as the 1999 Jennings is not reliable but simple.

Ash
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Glock

"Glock, whose personal background is that of a mechanical engineer specializing in machine tool construction, had developed and provided the Austrian Army with a heterogeneous mix of products, all of which combined his unique talents in the fields of both metallurgy and plastics. Glock produces nondisintegrating (but detachable) links for the MG74-3 machine gun (Austrian nomenclature for the MG42 in 7.62mm NATO), military fighting knives, entrenching tools and training grenades."
 
Berettas are more reliable than either the Glock or the 1911. One reason is the open slide design. There is less chance of a case getting hung up on the slide during ejection and causing a jam and almost zero chance of a stove pipe jam. These are some of the more common types of jams and Beretta has almost compleatly taken them out of the equation.
 
Asfar as the 1911's go,some pretty competent old gunsmiths,like Armand Swenson and some others discovered throating a few other mods to complement accuracy and the feeding of SWC shape bullets.
Over the years the modifications,IMO were taken to the extreme,and now the basic design has been all but completely changed.
Most of the custom mods appearing on current 1911's,again, IMO, is useless and unecessary tinkering with an otherwise proven design.
I own an old Colt Combat Gov't model,that shoots as well as I possibly could. I changed the sights to my own liking when I got it and that's all I did to it. I'll never part with. And I'll never buy another. I couldn't get one this reliable.And I won't pay their ridiculous prices. I also now prefer my Glocks.
Oops! Did I say that?
 
The slide of a Glock rides on small rails on the frame, while the 1911 rides on full-length rails. I've heard that this makes a difference, but am not a gunsmith.

Chuck, who uses both
 
As FarScott said...

7) The Glock appears, by design, to promote better feeding. The barrel has an integral ramp and the magazine seems to hold the round higher to better enter the barrel. The 1911 frame ramp does work well, but it is another variable that needs to be addressed.

I think this is HUGE - ramp and ANGLE...
 
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