Why are ruger/s&w revolvers almost always .38/.357mag/.44mag and not 9mm or .45?

[antiquus]

Don't put too much credence in stories about Taurus service from people who don't own Taurus or think they're dying waiting 5 weeks for a return. I've heard multiple stories, and have had two experiences with their service and blindingly fast it isn't, but as MCgunner stated the warranty seems to be forever. Good for them, and good for us.

 

[Gato Montés]

Now, you wanna hear the sad story? The cop traded my grandpa for my grandpa's turn of the century Colt '73 Peacemaker. The Colt was needing work, trigger was horrible, but it coulda been fixed. My grandpa came to me, was a kid at the time, says "you're going to inherit it someday, just wanted to hear what you say on it." Now, I KNEW the Colt was worth one heck of a lot more, even at the time, but my grandpa really wanted that Smith M10 (dime a dozen, dangit) so I told him to do what made HIM happy. It was HIS gun, after all. Anyway, the gun has memories and it's a good shooter. My grandkid will inherit it some day, I reckon, cause I don't shoot it much.

I'd rather shoot the Taurus, since it's a fantastic shooter, and save the old Smith rather than put wear on it. I've got probably 3K down that Taurus' pipe with no apparent wear so far, most of it .38 handloads, but quite a few 165 grain SWC magnum handloads. It shoots both rather well.

Yeah, that was one heck of a trade for the other guy, but then again during those times people usually only had enough money for a couple firearms, so getting another meant one had to go. Funny enough I also inherited an M&P 38 from my grandfather, who carried it while working for the Milwaukee PD for 30 some years. He bought it in 1949, where at the time officers had to supply there own weapons. I also don't shoot it that much because of it's heirloom value. Fantastic gun!

I live in Cali

I don't mean to seem like plugging Bud's here, but they are probably the best in the biz when it come to online firearm sales. I still think the GP is the better buy, but if you want 7 shot capacity and don't want to fork over the clams for the Smith, the Taurus 66 .357 MAG looks to be up your alley.

Here's the blued

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_50_494/products_id/31302

and here's the stainless( 6 inch, they're out of the 4" at the moment).

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/31326

Both at around 400 bucks.

Remember, you still have to find going rates on FFL transfers in your area to fully weigh the cost savings vs the convenience of going local.

 

[:( I live in Cali :( :(]

Wow, thanks for the tip, I checked the site out and indeed it looks like it has pretty amazing prices, and out of all the guns I've looked at on there so far, I haven't seen any complaints against the site (complaints against the guns, yes, but not against the Bud's website itself I mean), so I think I might go for it.

I think Turner's has a $30 transfer fee (although, I am gonna call them up tomorrow just to make sure that this is really the case), so, in theory, I should be able to save quite a lot of money by buying this online and then just paying the transfer fee and picking it up there at turners or whatever.

Btw, one thing I've started noticing a trend on is:

I've noticed that a HUGE amount of Taurus model 608 (their .357 mag revolver that has the 8-round capacity) seem to have people making comments of things being wrong with their gun. Like, on youtube the people who reviewed it would write an update that their gun stopped working after they used it once, and then on here I've seen complaints against it coming broken from the factory, and on bud's there was also a comment about someone getting a lemon of one, it just seems to have a very high ratio of complaints against it, for that specific model. I'm starting to think it might be something about that specific model, having an 8 shot capacity or something, I'm not really sure, but for some reason it seems liek it's their problem-gun or something.

Whereas with the model 65 or model 66 (their 6-round and 7-round revolvers) those seem to rarely have complaints against them by comparison, at least, relative to the 608 model that is.

So, I think I want to get a model 66, since it seems like the best compromise, since I still get an extra round, with it having 7-round capacity, which is nice, but without the drawback of everyone saying it always comes broken the way their 8-round 608 model always seems to be.

But, the thing that sucks though is that that is the one gun they don't seem to have, they only have the blued-finish version of it for the 4" model 66, or the stainless 6" model 66, but the one I'm drooling for that I wanted, specifically, was the one gun they don't have, the stainless 4" model 66

I wonder how quickly they re-stock on guns that they don't have in stock?

Is this normal? Like will they probly have it again within a few days, or is it like it can sometimes be months on end that it'll be like this?

I might just give up and get a 4" stainless model 65, which only has 6-shot, but I feel like then I'll always be thinking in the back of my head "man... i wish I woulda just waited till they had the model 66 so I could have an extra round" lol. Sigh... what to do... what to do....

 

[:( I live in Cali :( :(]

Err, actually now I'm confused.

I think I read that a "ppt" fee is like $30 or $35, and that they are required by law to not charge any more than that for a ppt fee.

However, I read somewhere that their ffl fee is like $150 or something massive like that.

So, I guess my question then, since I am clueless about all this online gun shopping stuff, and what ppt fees and ffl fees are is:

1. What is the difference between a ppt and an ffl?

2. If I bought a gun from Bud's, would I have to pay a "ppt" fee or an "ffl" fee?

3. Is the only way to buy a gun online from an online store to call up a local brick and mortar gun shop and do it through them, or are there like, individuals who you can go to who are licensed to do online gun transfers that are easier/cheaper to do it through where you only do a ppt fee instead of ffl if gun stores all require ffl? I mean, legally or whatever, obv I am not interested in doing anything that is illegal or legal-gray area style or anything like that.

Pretty much I'm just trying to find out what the cheapest way is for me to buy a factory brand new gun online (not to be confused with used guns, which I'm not interested in), from an online gun store like Bud's or similar, like, basically I don't know anything about this sort of thing and would be great if you could explain this. Thanks.

(I apologize for all these questions, and I understand if it's too much and you guys don't want to explain it, no worries, I just figure it can't hurt to ask)

 

[Gato Montés]

California is weird.

Apparently, in order for one individual to sell a firearm to another individual who also resides in California, both must appear at an FFL to preform a Private Party Transfer. I have never heard of this before, as in Wisconsin (and probably most everywhere else) intrastate person to person deals may be conducted without a background check. Cash and carry deals. By law, an FFL cannot charge more than 35 dollars; 25 to the state and 10 to the dealer.

Sooooo, the PPT is NOT what you are looking for. Go back to the post where I mentioned on Bud's website you can find FFL dealers in your area. A lot of them have their rates posted, and a phone number you can call to confirm that info. I'm guessing that if Turner's is overpriced on their retail firearms, their transfer fee is going to be just as expensive.

The model 66 is one of Taurus's best sellers. No doubt they will get more in stock soon. If you're that worried, drop them an email and see.

 

[:( I live in Cali :( :(]

Ah crap. Well then if its like $150 or whatever for the transfer fee then I guess there's no point for me to buy it online then, since then even tho its like $350 on buds thats still gonna be like $500 or something by the time I pay all the fees and stuff.

bleh oh well

I hate california so passionately

 

[Gato Montés]

I did a quick search for FFL dealers around LA (I think that's where you said you were). Cheapest I've found was OC Guns in Lake Forest for 75 dollars, said it included the DROS (no, I don't know what that is).

Is that anywhere close to you, and is 75 bucks too much to make it worth it?

 

[:( I live in Cali :( :(]

It's extremely far away, but, it still might be worth it. I'll have to check the exact price on the Tauruses at turner's to work the math on it. Last time I just checked out the Rugers and S&W's mostly, so I don't remember the prices on the tauruses, I just remember the Ruger was wayyyyyyyyy way way way way way way way more money than the price you quoted for it on here. Like $800 or something, instead of the $500 that you mentioned, so when I saw that, I nearly projectile vomited all over my laptop at the mere thought of how savagely I almost got my poopoo hole violated by their idiotic prices lol

 

[PabloJ]

Nine millimeter revolver? Does Taurus still offer them? One guy offered my S&W in 9x19 for $800. I politely turned him down as .357 version can be had for less then half of that amount. I mean it's exactly the same gun only chambered for stupid 9 Luger.

 

[helotaxi]

AR's, 1911s and polymer framed autos (combined) make up the bulk of Smith's sales and all were developed by Smith.

Smith "developed" the AR? They don't even make their own receivers or barrels for their ARs. They are contracted to their spec so they could get in on a booming market.

Praytell what "development" did Smith do on the 1911? Design their rollmark to go on the side?

Next, their initial foray into the polymer auto market was a dismal failure AND found them on the losing end of a lawsuit for patent infringement. So much for "developing" on that one. The piece of crap that still remains of the Sigma line, can't remember what it's called, it one of the worst firearms I've ever handled. To their credit, my M&P is a nice gun that they actually did do the work on.

A truly innovative company

These days, hardly. The only thing they've done lately is cash in on others designs and the reputation that they built some years ago.

BTW, Taurus was a sub-contractor for Smith before they struck out on their own. They made parts and complete firearms for Smith's overseas contracts.

 

[Guillermo]

AR's, 1911s and polymer framed autos (combined) make up the bulk of Smith's sales and all were developed by Smith

tongue was firmly planted in cheek.



While I would add their own formerly-fine-reputation to the statement....you are 100% right when you said

The only thing they've done lately is cash in on others designs and the reputation that they built some years ago

sorry for the confusion

 

[:( I live in Cali :( :(]

So, actually I just went back to Turner's just now to go check up on the Taurus prices etc, and it looks like I must have gotten myself confused or misread something, cuz the Ruger gp100's there weren't $800 or anything they were actually just in the high $500's/low $600's for the blued-finish ones, so, maybe I mixed it up with one of the s&w's last time or something I dunno.

Unfortunately though they don't carry the specific Taurus I want (the stainless 4" model 66). They had a 6" version of it on sale, but they didn't have it in the store but they said they could order it for me, it was in the low $400's, which was a fairly decent price, but I decided not to get it, since I really just want a 4", not a 6". If the barrels were still skinny-style like in the old days, I would actually not just merely be fine with, but rather, actually WANT the 6", but, with the big fat-barrelled style they have now, I much prefer the 4", since it feels more balanced in the hand for these fat barrelled ones.

 

[psyshack]

WOW!!! High 5's or low 6's for a blued GP100!!!! You can find them here in blue all day every day and hand pick your's for $449 to $499 plus tax with phone call and transfer included. 5 and change gets you a SS version.

I thank god almost weekly for the wisdom and for thought to get out of SoCal when I was a younger man.

Good luck in your search.

 

[MCgunner]

The GP100s are strong guns, but I could just never get excited about a 40+ ounce 4" .357 revolver. The SP101 is my fave Ruger DA. Wish they'd offer one along the lines of the Smith M60 with the 5" barrel and adjustable sights, would make a dandy trail gun.