Why did Springfield Armory hi-jack the Springfield name?

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In the german town Solingen there are still several manufacturers actually producing knives ... not just assembling ...

We had a few left in the US.

this was an all American knife

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so was this

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and so was this.

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But Queen knives cost more, and when Daniels Family Cutlery ran Queen, the quality dropped. Most specifically the spring tension under the blades. The knives did not walk and talk, even thought the rest of the knife was pretty. They had the same spring tension as a $15.00 Chinese stockman, and Collectors decided not to buy a $125.00 Queen. The company folded.

Yesterday I handled a 60-'s/earlier 70's Case 6488 large congress, not this one. This one is later.

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The 6488 I handled was made up to the 1970's, the red brown bone handles were perfect, the walk and talk perfect. Case can't make the same red brown as the guys who know how to do it, are gone. Today's Case knives are still good, but the older ones, they set a standard.

Won't be long, I will see Chinese made Queen knives sitting right next to Chinese Schrade.
 
I was under the impression that firearms, especially "Military Style" semi auto rifles were still a major industry in the USA. The Semi Auto rifles with pistol grips such as AK pattern ones, had to have so many actual American Made part in order to be legally imported and use over then round Magazines.

Did this change recently?
 
Same reason Imperato started selling guns under the Henry name in the late 90s. Because people will buy a name. Even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the original company nor designs.

Both companies tend to sell pretty good products and I own both. I dont care for the misleading tactics though. It's been more implied by Springfield just by the name but Henry done more than just imply. They used to specifically talk about "heritage" and "Lincoln's rifle ". Springfield did ship the first XDs in a box with a huge american flag on it though, which I thought was a bit misleading.
 
I was under the impression that firearms, especially "Military Style" semi auto rifles were still a major industry in the USA. [...]

Did this change recently?

In THR there are plenty of threads "I want this and that of good quality but i am not willing to pay for it what it is worth". That is where this change comes from ... If you are not paying the skilled american worker ... he will loose his job ... and your next gun is made in china ... btw: norinco is not that bad ...
 
For that matter can one really say that Remington or Winchester or Marlin are what their labels say? Sold, resold, licensed, etc.

How many major American gun makers who started decades ago still have their original ownership?
 
Well, let us consider the following companies:
Rock Island
Rockola
Inland
Henry
ArmaLite
Marlin
Auto Ordnance
These are all just brand names, not one is associated with its original parent.
The industry flexes, changes, deforms and reforms.
It does help to keep track of who all these players actually are.
But, it really comes down to what the products they produce really are.

SAI has wound up better known for their pistols than their long arms. Which will be related to their use of parts kits built on cast to spec receivers. Parts kits are ot the best foundation to build a commercial company upon. But, they managed, somehow.
Rock Island started from a fairly well-established industry, Armscor, out of the Philippines, and used that to make a successful entry into the US arms market.
Henry has made themselves a successful company, as well.
Kahr has turned AO around.

The jury is still out on Marlin, and the new Inland, too. Rockola may be too "niche." Whether Eagle can make ArmaLite pay off in the cut-throat AR market remains to be seen.
 
For that matter can one really say that Remington or Winchester or Marlin are what their labels say? Sold, resold, licensed, etc.

How many major American gun makers who started decades ago still have their original ownership?

O.F. Mossberg & Sons is still owned and ran by the Mossberg family. They are the only one I can think of.
 
Who owns Colt today? Colt has gone belly up many times over the years, but each time they are picked up by another company. But people are still willing to pay the price to ride the pony.
 
As I type this I am six miles away from Springfield's main manufacturing plant and headquarters, in Geneseo, Illinois. Illinois considers them "essential" so they have been in full operation these past couple of months, as has Rock River Arms. I worked for them in 1990 and 91, before going off with Les Baer. At the time they were getting their 1911 frames from Imbel, partially finished. They were imported without the frame rails cut and un -numbered. I was told that this was because they were not considered by the gov. as a "firearm" until the rails were machined and the frame numbered. This got rid of a lot of hassle as they weren't importing guns, just unfinished parts.

Don't know if all that was true, but it is what I was told. Don't know where they get their 1911 stuff today but wouldn't be surprised if they make their own. They certainly have a big enough facility.
 
Colt has gone belly up many times over the years, but each time they are picked up by another company.
From what I understand, still same factory or same manufacturing location. But yea, haven't been the original circle of ownership since 1900 or around that time.
 
So, as others have noted we have Ruger and Mossberg still under the original ownership.

I can't think of any other major American gun manufacturers founded more than fifty years ago who are still owned by the person, or that person's family/descendants, still in operation.

Kind of discouraging actually, but we still have quality firearms available to us. That's the important thing.

I have a Springfield Armory 1911A1 I bought in the early nineties which has always been good by me.
 
It’s marketing. And they ain’t fooling anyone.

They might not be fooling you, me, or other members on this firearms enthusiast forum, but I can assure you that they're fooling a lot of other folks.

That's basic Marketing 101. Don't sell the product, sell the image of the product. Brand is essential to image. Before SAI renamed the HS2000 to the XD and spent millions on marketing it, the pistol was a relatively obscure import and did not sell very well to the gun buying public. The gun did not materially change, and in fact the price nearly doubled after Springfield got their hands on it; despite this, good marketing made it successful.
 
As I type this I am six miles away from Springfield's main manufacturing plant and headquarters, in Geneseo, Illinois. Illinois considers them "essential" so they have been in full operation these past couple of months, as has Rock River Arms. I worked for them in 1990 and 91, before going off with Les Baer. At the time they were getting their 1911 frames from Imbel, partially finished. They were imported without the frame rails cut and un -numbered. I was told that this was because they were not considered by the gov. as a "firearm" until the rails were machined and the frame numbered. This got rid of a lot of hassle as they weren't importing guns, just unfinished parts.

Don't know if all that was true, but it is what I was told. Don't know where they get their 1911 stuff today but wouldn't be surprised if they make their own. They certainly have a big enough facility.
Where exactly or what part of Illinois are both located? Southern part, in or by Crook County?

I don't remember our current governor saying anything about Citizen gun ownership one way or another during his campaign. Is he antigun, owns any firearms, just don't care at all?
 
They don't fool us on the forum, but they definitely fool lots of average gun buyers.
It's a common occurance in a gun store for someone to say "I want a Springfield, nothing more American" and get surprised that they're made in Croatia, or wherever. Can't even convince them it's not the same company. I myself used to think they were the same Springfield.
 
Content laws have been diluted to the point that if an "American" packs the item in a box, it can be labled as "Made in America".
No.

U.S. content must be disclosed on automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products. There’s no law that requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content. However, manufacturers and marketers who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content in their products must comply with the FTC’s Made in USA policy.

If a company makes the claim "Made in the US" then this is an unqualified claim and must comply with following:

What is the standard for a product to be called "Made in USA" without qualification?
For a product to be called "Made in USA", or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.

What does "all or virtually all" mean?
"All or virtually all" means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content.

What substantiation is required for a "Made in USA" claim?
When a manufacturer or marketer makes an unqualified claim that a product is "Made in USA", it should have — and rely on — a "reasonable basis" to support the claim at the time it is made. This means a manufacturer or marketer needs competent and reliable evidence to back up the claim that its product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.

What factors does the Commission consider to determine whether a product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.?
The product’s final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S. The Commission then considers other factors, including how much of the product’s total manufacturing costs can be assigned to U.S. parts and processing, and how far removed any foreign content is from the finished product. In some instances, only a small portion of the total manufacturing costs are attributable to foreign processing, but that processing represents a significant amount of the product’s overall processing. The same could be true for some foreign parts. In these cases, the foreign content (processing or parts) is more than negligible, and, as a result, unqualified claims are inappropriate.

Example: A company produces propane barbecue grills at a plant in Nevada. The product’s major components include the gas valve, burner and aluminum housing, each of which is made in the U.S. The grill’s knobs and tubing are imported from Mexico. An unqualified Made in USA claim is not likely to be deceptive because the knobs and tubing make up a negligible portion of the product’s total manufacturing costs and are insignificant parts of the final product.

Example: A table lamp is assembled in the U.S. from American-made brass, an American-made Tiffany-style lampshade, and an imported base. The base accounts for a small percent of the total cost of making the lamp. An unqualified Made in USA claim is deceptive for two reasons: The base is not far enough removed in the manufacturing process from the finished product to be of little consequence and it is a significant part of the final product.

What items should manufacturers and marketers include in analyzing the percentage of domestic content in a particular product?
Manufacturers and marketers should use the cost of goods sold or inventory costs of finished goods in their analysis. Such costs generally are limited to the total cost of all manufacturing materials, direct manufacturing labor, and manufacturing overhead.

Should manufacturers and marketers rely on information from American suppliers about the amount of domestic content in the parts, components, and other elements they buy and use for their final products?

If given in good faith, manufacturers and marketers can rely on information from suppliers about the domestic content in the parts, components, and other elements they produce. Rather than assume that the input is 100 percent U.S.-made, however, manufacturers and marketers would be wise to ask the supplier for specific information about the percentage of U.S. content before they make a U.S. origin claim.

Example: A company manufactures food processors in its U.S. plant, making most of the parts, including the housing and blade, from U.S. materials. The motor, which constitutes 50 percent of the food processor’s total manufacturing costs, is bought from a U.S. supplier. The food processor manufacturer knows that the motor is assembled in a U.S. factory. Even though most of the parts of the food processor are of U.S. origin, the final assembly is in the U.S., and the motor is assembled in the U.S., the food processor is not considered "all or virtually all" American-made if the motor itself is made of imported parts that constitute a significant percentage of the appliance’s total manufacturing cost. Before claiming the product is Made in USA, this manufacturer should look to its motor supplier for more specific information about the motor’s origin.

Example: On its purchase order, a company states: "Our company requires that suppliers certify the percentage of U.S. content in products supplied to us. If you are unable or unwilling to make such certification, we will not purchase from you." Appearing under this statement is the sentence, "We certify that our ___ have at least ___% U.S. content," with space for the supplier to fill in the name of the product and its percentage of U.S. content. The company generally could rely on a certification like this to determine the appropriate country-of-origin designation for its product.

How far back in the manufacturing process should manufacturers and marketers look?
To determine the percentage of U.S. content, manufacturers and marketers should look back far enough in the manufacturing process to be reasonably sure that any significant foreign content has been included in their assessment of foreign costs. Foreign content incorporated early in the manufacturing process often will be less significant to consumers than content that is a direct part of the finished product or the parts or components produced by the immediate supplier.

Example: The steel used to make a single component of a complex product (for example, the steel used in the case of a computer’s floppy drive) is an early input into the computer’s manufacture, and is likely to constitute a very small portion of the final product’s total cost. On the other hand, the steel in a product like a pipe or a wrench is a direct and significant input. Whether the steel in a pipe or wrench is imported would be a significant factor in evaluating whether the finished product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.

Are raw materials included in the evaluation of whether a product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.?
It depends on how much of the product’s cost the raw materials make up and how far removed from the finished product they are.

Example: If the gold in a gold ring is imported, an unqualified Made in USA claim for the ring is deceptive. That’s because of the significant value the gold is likely to represent relative to the finished product, and because the gold — an integral component — is only one step back from the finished article. By contrast, consider the plastic in the plastic case of a clock radio otherwise made in the U.S. of U.S.-made components. If the plastic case was made from imported petroleum, a Made in USA claim is likely to be appropriate because the petroleum is far enough removed from the finished product, and is an insignificant part of it as well.

If an gun manufacturer makes the claim "Made in USA" then the receiver, barrel and stock would at a minimum be manufactured inside the US, and the origin of the stock wood would like be of US origin.
 
US Military arms are made in America by statute , which is why Sig, Beretta and FN all have plants here. There have been exceptions, but it's one reason Colt kept getting M16 and M4 contracts.

FN had to build a plant here to make rifles. Colt still gets special runs to this day because they made the TDP on the M4.
 
Glock makes US pistols. They have a branch in Georgia. And Sig has a Exeter factory.

The mother brand isn't American but at least they opened a branch here and use workers here.
And the reason foreign companies open US factories isn't because there is such a massive demand for "American made"..........its due to EU restrictions on firearm exports.
HK/Glock/Sig/Beretta cannot legally export firearms to some countries.....but their American subsidiaries can and do.

***and occassionally their American management gets caught: https://www.nhpr.org/post/sig-sauer-ceo-avoids-jail-time-role-illegal-arms-shipment#stream/0
 
Also due to BATF's points system to measure the 'sportiness' of a handgun for determining if it's importable for civilian sale, some foreign manufacturers will open up a domestic facility to manufacture pocket pistols which, if made domestically, can be sold in the private sector, but cannot be imported for sale in the private sector. See also: Glock 42.
 
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