KevinAbbeyTech
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Why do many people selling guns online accept "discreet" PayPal when PayPal is anti gun?
Why support them?
Why support them?
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Why do many people accept "discrete" PayPal?
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Hungry Seagull
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I dont. No way.
I dump a shopping cart and abandon a shopping site if they so much as try to lasso me into paypal.
I dump a shopping cart and abandon a shopping site if they so much as try to lasso me into paypal.
PayPal is owned by eBay , and the management of these companies has proven to be anti firearm in their approach to what is allowed to be sold on eBay and what is allowed to be paid for via PayPal. PayPal policy is that it can not be used for firearm transactions - that's clear .
The discrete use of PayPal for firearms and related products is being done against their wishes simply because the method of payment is easy to conduct .
I'm not going to get into my personal opinion of PayPal and eBay - I get to pissed off to sleep when I do that !
eventer289
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What is their reasoning? Is it for liability reasons?
R.W.Dale
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Why do many people selling guns online accept "discrete" PayPal when PayPal is anti gun?
Why support them?
You think they care about losing your business or even the business of every gunowner in the country or even the world
McDonalds as a corporation is just as ANTI yet you likely eat there. Is it any different supporting paypal's anti stance when you buy a Elvis LP on ebay vs paying for brass from a classified? E-bay and half the internet is pay-pal only, you're gonna have to learn to like it or lump it.I refuse to acknowledge their silly and completely unenforceable anti gun policy. I'm doing much more to stick it in their eye with discrete transactions than pious abstinence.
besides that how else are you gonna get paid in the 21'st century? Other online payment services are a joke and not accepting Pay/Pal is like proverbially taking a .44 and shooting the right foot plumb off your business
rbernie
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I suspect that eBay is less anti-gun as they are anti-risk. They allow people to buy/sell in multiple jurisdictions, including CA, and in the good old days of eBay it was not uncommon to see barrelled receivers being sold as 'gunsmith parts'. I would imagine that they felt that their potential liability was not worth the business revenue. They are based out of CA and their liability concerns are probably not unfounded.
That does not mean that they are not biased against guns - they did seem to want to make some hay out of the VT shooting incident and severely curtailed gun parts sales on eBay as a result. They have also had PayPal freeze the funds in accounts that were being used to buy/sell gun parts in violation of their Terms of Service.
In sum - they are not a friend of the RKBA community, but IMO no more so than any store that legally prohibits legal CHL or the like.
That's my feeling; they get the overhead of managing my transactions with zero fees from me or the other side (since I insist that both sides use verified/no-fee accounts).
ETA - the word is 'discreet'. Discrete means atomic or individual.....
That was because of PR issues. Kind of like when KMART caved to Michael Moore and the Coumbine victim. A major nespaper made a big deal about cho buying mags on ebay, and ebay was in a position where they would look really bad (on a national scale0 if they didn't do something
earlthegoat2
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If you dont have an FFL you can legally use paypal for the purchase of anything that is legal.
Even Guns
PayPal/eBay wont allow FFL holders to even have an account.
Even Guns
PayPal/eBay wont allow FFL holders to even have an account.
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They certainly are anti risk, but after the VaTech shooting they changed their policies and became completely restrictive. Their explanation was fraught with anti propaganda at the time.
MadMikeH
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FFL and PAYPAL/EBAY
Earlthegoat2
I think you might be mistaken in your statment. I have and FFL and well as Ebay/PayPal accounts. Or am I the exception?
Earlthegoat2
I think you might be mistaken in your statment. I have and FFL and well as Ebay/PayPal accounts. Or am I the exception?
fireman 9731
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By being discreet about it you are truly sticking it to the man...
Oh, Im not supposed to sell guns/parts/ammo on Paypal?
Watch me do it anyway without getting caught!
By refusing to use Paypal you are letting an organization restrict your rights!
Sure, they may get a couple of dollars out of it, but you are paying for convenience and security.
Using discreet Paypal is your own little way of flexing your freedom muscles by not letting something restrict you that is intended to!
Oh, Im not supposed to sell guns/parts/ammo on Paypal?
Watch me do it anyway without getting caught!
By refusing to use Paypal you are letting an organization restrict your rights!
Sure, they may get a couple of dollars out of it, but you are paying for convenience and security.
Using discreet Paypal is your own little way of flexing your freedom muscles by not letting something restrict you that is intended to!
twoclones
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I was not asked if I had a FFL when I opened my PayPal account...
Funderb
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just like wal mart.
earlthegoat2
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Exactly, if you are a business they can find out a little easier, if you are an individual FFL holder it is much more difficult.
Just call them up and tell them you have an FFL. (I wouldnt though, might as well ride out the convenience while you can)
You can have an eBay acct with an FFL but you cant use paypal. Catch 22 I know.
And I totally agree with Fireman^^
jackstinson
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PayPal and eBay are just PC covering of their butts. They really only care about certain items.
I sell silicone slot car tires as a side business and receive most payments through a PayPal account. Sure beats trying to cash 27 money orders every week from South Africa or such. Then I use my PayPal debit card to access that funding for all of my gun purchases.
In the past few months I've bought 6 handguns, a WASR, and untold boxes of ammunition from various shops online and in local brick & mortar gun stores. No deception of PayPal on my part, I'm just using the debit card with which they provided me to make purchases.
PayPal is just another means of receiving and transferring money to me...it's a tool that I use. Like my bank (Chase), whom I'm sure isn't pro-gun .... or the company I've worked for these past 27 years isn't pro-gun. But I'm not quitting my job over my company's firearm policies.
Jack
I sell silicone slot car tires as a side business and receive most payments through a PayPal account. Sure beats trying to cash 27 money orders every week from South Africa or such. Then I use my PayPal debit card to access that funding for all of my gun purchases.
In the past few months I've bought 6 handguns, a WASR, and untold boxes of ammunition from various shops online and in local brick & mortar gun stores. No deception of PayPal on my part, I'm just using the debit card with which they provided me to make purchases.
PayPal is just another means of receiving and transferring money to me...it's a tool that I use. Like my bank (Chase), whom I'm sure isn't pro-gun .... or the company I've worked for these past 27 years isn't pro-gun. But I'm not quitting my job over my company's firearm policies.
Jack
Some people just aren't happy unless they are outraged about something. So Ebay doesn't allow the sale of guns and PayPal doesn't allow using the service to pay for guns....SO WHAT?
Wallgreens doesn't sell fresh tuna but I don't think that makes them "anti-sushi". My local gun store doesn't sell Insulin, but I'm pretty sure they aren't "anti-Diabetic".
I have 450+ buys/sales on Enay with 95% using Paypal and one total having a problem and it wasn't a Paypal or Ebay problem. When you have something to sell that appeals to 3 people total in the whole US, where else but Ebay would you have a prayer of finding those 3 and getting 2 to bid against each other? And why would I create more work for me and the buyer by trying to make some mis-guided protest statement by not allowing Paypal? I wouldn't even go as far as saying they are being "PC" or "covering their butts"...I think they are simply choosing to not get involved in one small segment of business that has a very high risk to it.
If I was in charge at Ebay, I'd much rather have a few stubborn folks calling me anti-gun than have a few National TV Networks calling me reckless on the nightly news just because some knucklehead sold a gun to some felon direct without a FFL and got caught. If I owned Ebay stock and they started allowing gun sales, I'd probably sell it as too risky of an investment.
Earl..You are just plain wrong about both those statements.
Wallgreens doesn't sell fresh tuna but I don't think that makes them "anti-sushi". My local gun store doesn't sell Insulin, but I'm pretty sure they aren't "anti-Diabetic".
I have 450+ buys/sales on Enay with 95% using Paypal and one total having a problem and it wasn't a Paypal or Ebay problem. When you have something to sell that appeals to 3 people total in the whole US, where else but Ebay would you have a prayer of finding those 3 and getting 2 to bid against each other? And why would I create more work for me and the buyer by trying to make some mis-guided protest statement by not allowing Paypal? I wouldn't even go as far as saying they are being "PC" or "covering their butts"...I think they are simply choosing to not get involved in one small segment of business that has a very high risk to it.
If I was in charge at Ebay, I'd much rather have a few stubborn folks calling me anti-gun than have a few National TV Networks calling me reckless on the nightly news just because some knucklehead sold a gun to some felon direct without a FFL and got caught. If I owned Ebay stock and they started allowing gun sales, I'd probably sell it as too risky of an investment.
Earl..You are just plain wrong about both those statements.
bullseye308
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It was my understanding that some idiot(manifesto cho?) bought some glock mags from evilbay and used them to shoot up a bunch of folks and when evilbay found out he got them from them, they wouldn't allow most gun parts to be sold anymore. They are not anti gun, they are anti bad publicity.
theotherwaldo
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I use the tools that work to do the job at hand. If PayPal works, I use it. If I avoided all of the anti-gun people, services, products, and places, I'd be unemployed, in another part of the country, alone, and in the dark.
-And yes, I'm an EBay junkie. My rating is 600/100% right now.
Been stiffed one time in the last eleven years. That's a better record than any of my local gun shops.
-And yes, I'm an EBay junkie. My rating is 600/100% right now.
Been stiffed one time in the last eleven years. That's a better record than any of my local gun shops.
Just something to think about... Ebay also had to stop selling seeds... why? People were selling pot seeds and calling them by other names. So does that make them anti gardening?
The way I see it, they gave the community a chance, they mess up. Now they are covering thier butt.
The way I see it, they gave the community a chance, they mess up. Now they are covering thier butt.
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