Why doesn't Affirmative Action include Asians?

[XLMiguel]

To answer the original question, being Asian does get you minority points in a lot of gov't programs, tho perhaps not AA.

But let me climb up on this deceased equine and state that there is only one race - the human race - all the rest is just variations on a theme.

It's Miller Time, anyone care to join me?

 

[Frohickey]

But let me climb up on this deceased equine and state that there is only one race - the human race - all the rest is just variations on a theme.

Since this thread is about out-of-topic topics... whats your feelings about horsehide or leather for holsters?

 

[XLMiguel]

I thought Horsehide was leather, too. But seriously, I like horse more for IWB, but otherwise, not too picky. Just got a kydex (fobus) paddle for my H&K USP45C, like it so far.

 

[BerettaNut92]

Get a Glock.

Well, I was reading a thread two days ago on Cult of the P7 that went from IWB holsters to ...ahem....self-gratification.

Do government jobs use preferences? I have seen some say 'Asian and Hispanic candidates are encouraged to apply', but no where on the applications did it ask for race or ethnicity.

 

[XLMiguel]

Les'see, IIRC, the ultimate AA candidate was a one-eyed hispanic-surnamed over-40 black woman, wounded in Vietnam married to a gay Jewish native Ameican small businessman. Skunk, you is just a simple minority, hope youse can live wid it

 

[Frohickey]

You forgot, 'diagnosed with AIDS', and 'unmarried single mother'.

 

[Bahadur]

Jimpeel:

There is nothing beyond my own cultural construct.

To believe so would mean a belief in one's perfection - that there is no world beyond what one can observe. To believe so is to deny that there is something greater than us (for example, God) that we cannot understand one-hundred percent.

That is what true belief is about. "Well, maybe ..." is not true belief -- it is true doubt.

I have no doubt.

True belief must be tempered by humility, the understanding that we are not perfect beings and see the world with some degree of error. Only God has no doubt, and you, my friend, are no God.

My religion asks but one simple task of me -- belief. There is no strain, no work, no athletic expenditure of my time, no chanting, no postulating, no kowtowing, no prostration, no offerings, no burning of money, no apologies to lower creatures, no holidays to the dead, no shaving of my head, no facing a distant geographical entity, no drugs, no ringing of bells.

Even prayer is not required.

Neither do my spiritual beliefs. But I do not claim to see all of the Truth. My belief system requires me to continue to learn, discover and try to reach God, the sum of all knowledge and existence, until the day I die.

The Bible is not a "work in progress", and not a "living document". You either believe; or you have doubts that equate to disbelief.

The Bible was written by Man, perhaps endowed with the grace of God (if you are a Christian). But because it still is the work of Man, it is bound to contain human interpretations which is subject to error. If you believe that every word of the Bible is the direct, quoted word of God without any human interpretation, feel free to keep the Kashruth law, slaves, multiple wives and so on.

You, nor any other person, can deter me from my belief and that's that.

Nor was it my intention to deter you from your belief, but to engage you in a reasoned discussion to increase our mutual understanding.

In my world there is one God -- my God. Period.

Are there other people in your world? If so, must they believe in your God or otherwise be damned to hell?

End -- and I do mean end -- of discussion.

While I am happy to end exchanging ideas with you, it is by mutual consent, not because you impolitely declare so as if you are my superior.

 

[Bahadur]

Mike in VA:

But let me climb up on this deceased equine and state that there is only one race - the human race - all the rest is just variations on a theme.

You got that right! And the variations aren't really all that deep either.

It's Miller Time, anyone care to join me?

Already had one, friend. But thanks anyway!

 

[jimpeel]

Bahadur

As you once put to me: "You just don't get it, do you?"

Of course you are trying to deter me from my belief. To attempt to convince me that there is anything beyond my belief is to introduce doubt. Doubt is disbelief.

True belief requires holding one God above, and to the rejection of, all others. I reject all others so my belief is true. There is no Kali, Allah, etc. in my world. They are simply words on a page. Some may find some comfort in playing "eenie, meenie, miney, mo" with their Gods. I do not.

You equate this with some type of self diefication. Bunk!

My belief system requires me to continue to learn, discover and try to reach God, the sum of all knowledge and existence, until the day I die.

Then you have no belief system as you cannot come to true belief. You are always in flux. That, Sir, is doubt; not belief.

Basically, the Bible is a very nice book of history, geography, and a few quaint moral stories called parables. The important part is where it requires of me that I believe in God, His Son, that I try to adhere to the principles set out in the Ten Commandments, and be the best person I can while I inhabit this Earth. THAT'S ALL. That is what I have settled on as my true belief and that's that.

This does not mean that what is right for me is right for anyone, or everyone, else. It is right for me. I do not proselytize.

When I said "End -- and I do mean end-- ..." I meant that this segue from the stated thread subject should be ended. If you wish to continue this Theological discussion, I would suggest we go to PMs and let the thread get back on track.

 

[Frohickey]

I like Kydex holsters... what kind of animal does Kydex come from? Kydexasaurus?

 

[Bahadur]

jimpeel:

True belief requires holding one God above, and to the rejection of, all others. I reject all others so my belief is true. There is no Kali, Allah, etc. in my world. They are simply words on a page. Some may find some comfort in playing "eenie, meenie, miney, mo" with their Gods. I do not.

My Kung Fu is better than your Kung Fu. Ha-i-yaaaaah!

Okay, answer me just ONE question (well, a series of questions), please:

Are you a perfect being? Are you capable of observing the entirety of truth perfectly?

If you say "Yes," isn't it self-deification since only gods, by definition, are omniscient?

If you say, No," how can you then be sure that your belief system is 100% truth and not be subject to even an inkling of doubt?

 

[jimpeel]

Bahadur

Are you a perfect being?

Of course not. If I were, I wouldn't be participating in debates on this subject.

Are you capable of observing the entirety of truth perfectly?

We all have our own "truths". You have yours, I have mine, and everyone else has theirs. The firearms debate is a perfect example of this. Sarah Brady, Wayne LaPierre, Dennis Hennigan, Charleton Heston, Tom Diaz, Aron Zelman, Badahur, and Jim Peel all have their set of truths to which they adhere. Of the first six, every other one calls every other one a liar. You and I get to watch from the sidelines while they make fools of themselves.

If you say "Yes," isn't it self-deification since only gods, by definition, are omniscient?

I have never claimed to be so endowed.

If you say, No," how can you then be sure that your belief system is 100% truth and not be subject to even an inkling of doubt?

Because, as I stated above, we each have out own truths to which we adhere. I have settled on mine and, as such, dwell in a place of belief. If I were still contemplating other "Gods" and the like, I would still be in the realm of doubt about that which I truly believe.

I went through my periods of Agnosticism, etc., but finally came to rest on a specific "one" that is the only one as far as I am concerned.

I do not state that those who have not settled on their specific "one" that is the only one as far as they are concerned are wrong. They simply haven't found the firm belief that I have -- yet.

I am sure that there would be as similar an argument between yourself and Ghandi, or Kohmenni, or the Pope as there is with me as they also had their "one" that is the only one as far as they are concerned; to the rejection of all others.

You have as much chance with me as you would have with them in convincing me otherwise.

 

[Bahadur]

jimpeel:

Because, as I stated above, we each have out own truths to which we adhere.

Ah, the crux of the matter is that you believe individual perception to be reality itself. Do you not accept, then, that there is an objective reality, some of which is obviously outside our individual views?

Isn't that one of the points to religion - to recognize something greater than yourself?

I do not state that those who have not settled on their specific "one" that is the only one as far as they are concerned are wrong. They simply haven't found the firm belief that I have -- yet.

Or perhaps they had the "firm belief" but then came to see a bit more of the truth, which convinced them there is something more, something that they can glimpse, but not quite see clearly yet. Furthermore, though they may not be sure of what that something is, they can be "firmly" convinced that their original, limited belief is most certainly NOT the perfect truth.

"Verifiability" is not the only kind of belief. So is "falsifiability."

You have as much chance with me as you would have with them in convincing me otherwise.

Who said anything about "convincing" you? You seem very preoccupied with the notion of (not) being swayed even when no one brings it up.

That brings up another point. Are you "done" with learning about the world (cultures, geography, computer science... anything)? I imagine you'd acknowledge that there is always more knowledge to gain, through which some of your earlier knowledge is reinforced and expanded and others invalidated. Right?

If so, how is understanding of God different?

 

[KMKeller]

To follow blindly and without question is to failure to see the path before you. To question the path you follow opens the path before you for all to see and for others to explore.

 

[Betty]

...and about Asians and affirmative action?