Why doesn't Ruger sell high cap Mini 14/30 magazines to civilians?

[AZ Jeff]

People aren't mentioning colt because the discussion was about ruger.

People virtually NEVER mention this fact about Colt, even when the discussion topic IS Colt.

I am not saying what Colt or Ruger does is right, but the fact is, people single out Ruger, when there are other companies that deserve equal derision. That's just hypocritical.

 

[1 old 0311]

Hi AZ Jeff,

You are correct about Colt. Both them, and Ruger, turned their backs on the people who built their companies. My money does not go to those who sell us out, when the going gets tough. When they both go into chapter 13 I will buy the beer.

Kevin

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Ruger does not make high cap revolvers either.
No honest man needs more that six shots.
Heck, NEF aka H&R 1871 makes nothing but single shots.

Maybe Ruger not marketing high capacity magazines, and Bill Ruger's
odd ball attitude, helps show how pointless the 1994 AWB was.

Bill Ruger's attitude also helped make the after-market suppliers
market healthier.

 

[itgoesboom]

People virtually NEVER mention this fact about Colt, even when the discussion topic IS Colt.

I am not saying what Colt or Ruger does is right, but the fact is, people single out Ruger, when there are other companies that deserve equal derision. That's just hypocritical.

You actually hit it on the head earlier when you said this:

4. It's my contention that the main reason Sturm, Ruger & Co. gets tarred and feathered over this policy is because the now-deceased founder opened his mouth and alienated a bunch of his customer base. In contrast, Colt did NOT have a spokesman who was vociferous in the same way. Consequently, Colt's policy, which is just as onerous, has not attracted the same amount of attention, although IT SHOULD.

Colt hasn't attracted the attention because they didn't specifically fight against our rights.

Because of that, much of what they have done has gone under the radar, and many of us haven't heard about it.

Ruger on the other hand, through Bill Ruger's actions and words has attracted our attention. It's bad enough treating civilains and LEOs differently, when there is no law preventing equal sales and treatment, but Bill Ruger specifically stabbed us in the back.

Ofcourse, now that he is dead, that would be forgiven by many of us. In fact it was forgiven at one time by me.

But their current policy, which is bad enough on it's own, just reminds us of Bill's old position, and makes us look at the company in the same light as Bill Ruger.

I.G.B.

 

[itgoesboom]

Ruger does not make high cap revolvers either.
No honest man needs more that six shots.
Heck, NEF aka H&R 1871 makes nothing but single shots.

Maybe Ruger not marketing high capacity magazines, and Bill Ruger's
odd ball attitude, helps show how pointless the 1994 AWB was.

Carl,

We are not attacking companies for not making high-cap magazines. That isn't the issue.

The issue is that Ruger (and apparantly Colt) have a policy against selling high-cap magazines to "simple civilains" while at the same time selling those same magazines to Law Enforcement officers.

I have no issue with companies who don't make high-cap rifles or magazines. I just don't want companies to treat us differently than they do LEOs when it comes down to it. Especially when the former head of that company helped pass the magazine ban in the first place.

That is the issue here.

I.G.B.

 

[trbon8r]

Ruger electing to not sell me one of their products is analogous to Fiat or Citroen refusing to sell me one of their cars.

 

[MechAg94]

If Ruger started selling 20 and 30 round mini-14 mags, would AWB states put them on the assault weapon list?

It seems to me that Ruger is gambling that more people in AWB states will buy their guns because they are not banned over RKBA crusaders that will stop buying their guns in other states.

 

[itgoesboom]

If Ruger started selling 20 and 30 round mini-14 mags, would AWB states put them on the assault weapon list?

It seems to me that Ruger is gambling that more people in AWB states will buy their guns because they are not banned over RKBA crusaders that will stop buying their guns in other states.

Doubt it.

Most states with assault weapons bans already have bans against new high-capacity magazines, so it wouldn't really affect them at all. Plus, there are high-capacity magazines already on the market, most just don't work well, and it is really just the manufacturer that won't supply them.

I think it is still a case of them holding on to Bill Ruger's old ideas, which can be summed up in two quotes:

1.

No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun.

2.

I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock.

I.G.B.

 

[rallyhound]

Cdnn has factory ruger 20 rounders on their website for sale, so they are available now.
Didn't Ruger donate 1 million to the NRA?

 

[P. Plainsman]

Bill Ruger Sr. had some deeply wrongheaded ideas about arms rights -- something that is doubly reprehensible in a gun maker. I can see why people refuse to buy Rugers on principle, and I respect their stance.

Frankly, are there any current Ruger semi-autos (other than the 10/22) that anyone really wants to buy in the first place? I admit the old Mk-II rimfires and P-series pistols were functional guns at a fair price. But these new Mk-III rimfires, and that P345 centerfire pistol are so hilariously, egregiously oversafetied that you could hardly give one away to me. Yuck.

I wouldn't buy a Mini-14 either. Why not save up for a Bushmaster AR-15?

To me Ruger is a revolver company. My three Ruger wheelguns are excellent firearms that give me great service and came at a fair price. I will keep buying more. There just aren't enough quality revolver makers left for me to abandon Ruger.

PS: Since Mr. Ruger died, we have seen a few hints of glacial change at the company. The AWB sunsetted, and Ruger has started selling high-cap 9mm mags to private citizens again. It's a start. And they have given us the sawed-off, flamethrowing .454 SRH "Alaskan" revolver with a 2.5" barrel. OK, that's not exactly a SPAS-12, but it's a pretty un-PC firearm by historical Ruger standards.

 

[GunnySkox]

Cdnn has factory ruger 20 rounders on their website for sale, so they are available now.

I'm looking at CDNN this instant and the only Mini-14 magazines explicitly mentioned as "ruger factory" or something to that effect are those chintzy 5-rounders

~GnSx

 

[itgoesboom]

Cdnn has factory ruger 20 rounders on their website for sale, so they are available now.

The only 20 round magazines for Mini-14s are either aftermarket, or factory "Law Enforcment" marked magazines. Legal to own, sure. But it only further proves the point on my side.

Ruger sells the magazines to civilians, but doesn't want us to have them.

Didn't Ruger donate 1 million to the NRA?

Even John Kerry tried to court the Pro-Gun voters. Donating to the NRA means nothing, especially after stabbing gun owners in the back. Bill Ruger had tried to make ammends for his mistake, and even acknowledged that compromising with gun-grabbers is futile, but it doesn't undo the damage.

Donating to the NRA is only smart business if you are a firearm manufacturer.

Frankly, are there any current Ruger semi-autos (other than the 10/22) that anyone really wants to buy in the first place? I admit the old Mk-II rimfires and P-series pistols were functional guns at a fair price. But these new Mk-III rimfires, and that P345 centerfire pistol are so hilariously, egregiously oversafetied that you could hardly give one away to me. Yuck.

I don't know, I have a family member that the Mini-14 would be perfect for. I even think with some tinkering, and 20rnd magazines, it would be a fun little rifle.

But I know I want a Vaquero in .45LC and a Redhawk in .44mag, and wouldn't mind a Frontier either.

Hopefully they will change their policy so that I can order from them in the future.

I.G.B.

 

[Dean Speir]

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It was they who profited from the magazine capacity ban. 10rds was a convenient number for them.

Not sure how you can make an argument that Sturm Ruger "profited," but Papa Bill didn't select the ten round limitation, Congress did. Ruger's plan called for 15 rounds maximum. Like Casey Stebgel used to say, "You can look it up."

Bill Ruger had his little conference with Bill Clinton, and we ALL know what became of that!

What are you talking about?!? Please enlighten me as to what everyone else knows and which seems to have escaped my notice.

The anti-Ruger brigade will never forgive the modern company for the dead founder's political stance decades ago.

Decades ago? 1989 isn't quite the distant past you're attempting to suggest, and what amends have you seen which might mitigate that political stance?

 

[AZ Jeff]

So let me see........based on the criteria of some persons posting here, the following companies are no longer considered "good to buy products from", due to restrictions these companies have placed on their products availability:

1. Ruger (which started this thread)
2. Colt
3. Remington

How many more do we need to add? (And are all of you who advocate this practice following this with ALL the aforementioned companies?)

 

[benEzra]

Not sure how you can make an argument that Sturm Ruger "profited," but Papa Bill didn't select the ten round limitation, Congress did. Ruger's plan called for 15 rounds maximum. Like Casey Stebgel used to say, "You can look it up."

And by striking coincidence, the magazine capacity of the Ruger P-89 was 15 rounds...but that of its main competitor was 17 rounds...

 

[femoralis]

Note Bill Ruger's suggested magazine ban would NOT have had a grandfather clause and make it illegal for people own +15 round hicaps at all...

 

[neo-con]

I'll buy a Ruger

As soon as it comes with a factory 30 round magazine

 

[M.E.Eldridge]

Personally, I have no intentions of buying a Ruger anytime soon. Part way because of Ruger's comments and partly because they have nothing I like. Nearly all of their centerfire huting rifles, which are otherwise fine, have no iron sights, something I consider extremely important for a centerfire rifle(ironically enough, I don't care whether my varmint guns have irons or not). They are also a little more than I want to spend on a firearm that has no real value to me when compared to Savage rifles(some of my personal favorites).

That said, I have no problem with the desire that is possesed by some to purchase Ruger firearms. I myself will stick to Savage, H&R/NEF and maybe CZ(for the .375 H&H Mag that will be waiting for me when I get my bonus in a couple of months).

Then again, I prefer mil-surps. Cheap, reliable, accurate enough and a blast to shoot.

 

[CarbineKid]

Ruger has probably lost alot of sales due to the fact they don't believe the average citizen "deserves" a mag that holds more then 5 rounds. For the life of me I don't understand why Meg-Gar doesnt make them. That would be a best seller for them.

 

[Bigfoot]

Maybe because they don't have the tooling anymore. I have a factory mag and I have a Pro-Mag magazine. They are IDENTICAL down to the bends, steel, followers, even the welds are identical and in the exact same locations, the magazine bottoms are identical moldings except the Pro-Mags dont have the Ruger trademark stamped on them. And I have a very good eye for details like this. Now I don't know if Ruger sold the tooling or if they farmed out thier magazine production to Pro-Mag from the start, I suspect the former.

But please don't let this stop the bash Bill Ruger fest. I'm absolutely sure this thread has the potential to go several more pages.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Their finesse may well be the reason that the gun wasn't banned by the Feds, and is even still legal in California.

It wasn't banned because it didn't have the dreaded pistol grip. Also, it didn't have the infamous flash suppressor.

The Springfield M1A is also available, and I saw numerous examples of this with ten round clips. Only, the California legal M1A had a muzzle brake. Not the standard flash suppressor.

 

[KaceCoyote]

I'd love a P945 or whatever its called, as would I dig a 10-22 or their .22 pistols.

Ruger the company thinks the same as Ruger the man once did, so..I spent my money on brands that give me what I -want- not what they believe I deserve.

 

[IllHunter]

Nice Thread!

Newby here, trying to follow the ruger bashing and thinking back to when S&W caved to Clinton and all the other political manuvers that got us to where we are, still openly discussing our guns! Personally I love my MK77 in .270 which by trading a Milwaukee right angle drill for, promoted the underground economy and did not (further) enrich Sturm Ruger etal. I also have a Super Red Hawk .44Mag I purchased from an FNRA auction. This was also a second market purchase, gave the cause a financial boost and gave me a write off for the price paid over market.

 

[ftierson]

As IllHunter mentions, and then there's Smith & Wesson...



Forrest

 

[1911JMB]

While we're on the subject, does anybody make reliable high caps for the 10/22 that can be left loaded for a long time?