Why dont we see more .22lr conversion kits for duty guns?

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After looking around a little on the net I have noticed that there are not any .22lr conversion kits for most of they duty weapons such as Glocks/ XD's / M&P's. It seems to me that there are TONS of these guns sold each year. Why dont companies make .22lr conversions for these guns. It seems that with ammo prices these would be pretty hot sellers.

Also from an engineering standpoint it seems like making a new slide and magazine would be pretty simple.

Am I missing something?
 
Manufacturers have figured out people don't want to pay $350-400 for 1,000 rounds of 45 ACP and $200/1000 for 9mm. SIG just released 22 LR Conversions for their P-Series guns, and even offer frames to permanently mount them.
 
I do believe someone makes a conversion for the Glock, but maybe not all models?? I'm not sure though...

I do agree 100% though. I would love one for my H&K USP compact and probably my Glock 19 too.
 
There are plenty of Glock 22 conversion kits. But there isn't enough money in them to make them worthwhile, apparently. People would rather get a P22 for $320 than a conversion kit for $380. But with the economy going the way it is, we might start seeing more .22 kits. Colt is releasing a new .22 AR-15, and Sig just released some .22 versions of their pistols. I have a feeling that other companies are going to follow suit. Kimber was one of the earlier contenders in offering their pistols in a .22 version.
 
Manufacturers have figured out people don't want to pay $350-400 for 1,000 rounds of 45 ACP and $200/1000 for 9mm. SIG just released 22 LR Conversions for their P-Series guns, and even offer frames to permanently mount them.
Are you saying you could essentially build up a Sig .22 replica of their P229/226/220? If so, that would be pretty cool.

IMO the problem with just buying a P22 is that it won't help you at all as far as practicing with your every-day carry gun goes. It would be nice to have a .22 conversion for the gun you are most likely to use in a real-life encounter.
 
Good point. I just bought a Sig P-220 conversion so that I could do more shooting "with my duty weapon", but try to save $$ too, as my PD limits how much ammo we can use to specified range days. Recoil being the only real difference (and weight I suppose), it's great to train with during my free time but still be able to use "the same gun".

I wish they would do more too in this arena.
 
There are conversion kits out there for "duty" type pistols.
The afore mentioned SIG Sauer kits.
There are several makers of kits for the 1911 platform.
CZ makes one for the 75/85 pistol series (I think it works on the SP as well).
EAA has conversions available for the Witness series of pistols.
There are kits available for the Beretta 92 (also the Taurus PT92/99).
Ciener makes one for the Browning Hi Power. They also make one for Glocks.
Advantage Arms makes conversion kits for many of the different Glock models.
I have one for my 27 and it works fine.
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You're missing the boat.
There are tons of kits out there, and nearly all of them are backordered heavily as demand has outstripped supply because of recent ammo costs.

Advantage Arms, Ciener, Marvel, Kimber, Sig, all make conversion kits just to name a few.

There are also many conversion kits for AR's, which are all also backordered and sold out.
 
GB64 that Glock kit looks nii-ice.

I am awaiting production of mine...they are 8 weeks backordered, but just helped a buddy get a kit for his G17 that happened to be on the shelf in the local gunstore.

In the meantime while I wait, I recently received my Sig P226 .22 conversion kit, and although I've only shot it once, I LOOOOVE it.

I expected it to be a little bit of a letdown and somewhat ammo finicky, but I was very pleased.

150 rounds and ate everything I threw at it

Rem HP Golden Bullet 36gr
Rem RN Golden Bullet 40gr
Rem Thunderbolt
Winchester Wildcat
CCI Stinger


As soon as I got the kit, before shooting I racked the slide 250 times by hand to help with break in, and I lubed up the slide rails nice and wet.

Only one fail to feed, about 80 rounds in...it was the 8th round in the magazine and the round had misaligned itself about .5" down in the magazine...


Really happy with the kit, even happier that it seems like it will eat most of what I feed it.
 
I know that there are plenty of kits out there, but none of them seem particularly cost effective to me. It's not a bad idea, but c'mon, $380.00 for what amounts to a slide and a magazine?

Too expensive for me, with no real advantage in terms of training. I have shot my main service pistol for something like 14 or 15 years now, so when I shoot .22 it's almost entirely to practice my marksmanship, not my tactical awareness. The marksmanship skills I practice with my MkII seem to translate pretty well to every other handgun I shoot, and so I personally don't see the advantage or the need. That's just me though.
 
Prices must have gone up. I think I paid $250 for a Glock kit about five years ago.

My 1911 kit paid for itself the first month.

I don't tell myself that it's a total substitute for full-power practice, but the trigger practice in and of itself is a good thing.
 
I don't understand the point in .22 conversion kits. A good new .22 target pistol is half the price of your average service pistol. The conversion kits also tend to be about half the price of a service pistol. Why is it a good idea to spend $300 to turn another gun into a gun-and-a-half? Why not just shoot a real .22?

A .45 or a .40 or a 9mm with a .22 barrel in it looks silly. It also sounds silly. Shooting it is nothing like shooting the original gun so it's not like you're getting in useful practice with your carry gun. You're not even getting in good target practice with your .22, since it's probably not as accurate or reliable as any other .22 you have.

If you don't have a Mark II/III (or a 22/45, Buckmark, P22, Neos, whatever) or a good Smith .22 revolver for some fun pinking, you probably should go get one. And if you do have a good .22, why would you choose to shoot a "real" gun with a .22 conversion? It really doesn't serve any purpose. If you just like pulling the trigger on your carry gun without spending money maybe you should go spend $25 on an airsoft gun and shoot it at the wall in your living room.
 
I have a number of dedicated .22 handguns, including a Ruger Mk II and a S&W 617. I also have a .22 conversion kit for 1911s that I can use on any of the 7 I own.

So in your esteemed opinion this one looks silly and isn't accurate?

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Sig Kit - $300 real world price
Glock Kit - $260

1000 rnd 9mm practice ammo - $200
1000 rnd .22 - $30

= conversion kit paid off in 1,500 rounds


Tostada, you're way off...

NGIB and GB6's guns sure as hell don't look silly to me, and as far as sounding silly...I ain't at the range to get a date or impress the fellas with my .454 casull.

$25 airsoft will NOT allow you semi-auto fire and will not replicate your trigger

Dedicated .22 handgun will NOT replicate trigger, weight or sight picture of carry

Dry firing your carry will NOT allow you accuracy feedback nor will it allow subsequent shot trigger break




The kits are fun to shoot, accurate, cheap, and let you get good trigger time behind YOUR CARRY GUN. The only thing missing is the recoil, which granted is important, but saying it is NOTHING like shooting your carry could not be more incorrect.

I used to think the same thing...they're overpriced, they're a novelty and have no real use. After going hands on, I have a completely different opinion.

We each have to spend our own money...I see value in having options. Especially when those options become 'free' after my 4th visit to the range.
 
The nice thing about the kit is it stays in the range bag with my Tac Pro. When I'm done shooting .45, I take a minute to install the conversion and continue to fire away - cheaply - with the same trigger and feel...
 
The reason I've never purchased one is that I can purchase a decent .22LR pistol for what a conversion kit costs.

In general that pistol will be more accurate than the conversion kit and more reliable too. And I can shoot it without putting wear on the components of the gun that the conversion kit would fit on.

I realize that there are some benefits to conversion kits, but they've never been enough to push me to purchase one yet.
 
In general that pistol will be more accurate than the conversion kit and more reliable too. And I can shoot it without putting wear on the components of the gun that the conversion kit would fit on.


Ahh, we have different purposes in mind.

You're speaking of it to save wear and use of your carry gun.
I bought it specifically so I can get MORE trigger time with my carry gun.


I agree that if I did not own any other .22 plinking pistols, and was just looking for something to fill that caliber gap, there are better fitting options.
 
The 22LR conversion kits are great for teaching newbies the feel and controls of a service pistol without developing a flinch.
 
Same ergonomics with low cost . How is that bad? I just got a dedicated CZ Kadet for 425 OTD. I would have bought the kit if I found one local. Sig is putting dedicated 22's in the form of the 229 & 220.
 
Umm, yeah, I do think a nice Kimber with a .22 cal hole in the end is silly looking. Not that it matters (and I do try to avoid spending a lot of time looking down the front end of other people's guns), but most people who get Kimbers are pretty concerned with aesthetics -- that's why they get expensive guns and take lots of pictures of them.

I guess I have to agree that a .22 conversion would be very useful for teaching. Even after a girl has shot a .22 plenty and is totally comfortable it does make me a bit uneasy to see her struggling with the slide then cracking off the first shot in a gun that weighs half as much and kicks 100X as much. I'm not trying to be harsh on women -- untrained guys do a lot more stupid stuff than girls do at the range, but with a girl I'm always worried that the first shot is going to put a rear-sight-shaped scar on her forehead.

As far as the .22 conversion kit "paying for itself," I don't buy that. That implies that .22 practice is an equitable substitute for .45 practice, and it also implies that you are "paying for the conversion kit" by getting much less practice with .45.

Yes, the gun has the same trigger, has the same sights, and has the same grip feel. I have to argue that it is a big deal that the gun doesn't have the same weight or recoil, though. I'm no competitive marksman, but unless a gun has a terrible trigger it's pretty easy to get that first shot on target after very limited practice. With a .22 I think most of us can go rapid-fire and keep a really tight group. The difficult part is getting an accurate 5th shot with a .40. It takes practice to get on target again and keeping your hands steady. I remember the first time I shot a 9mm -- not exactly something that should be hard to control. It wasn't that I wasn't strong enough; I could bench 50 lbs. more back then, actually. But my hands were shaking after just a few shots and my accuracy was terrible.

I suppose it's ridiculous for me to say practice with a conversion kit is useless. I just think the degree to which it is a substitute for real practice is grossly overstated. Unless your primary motivation is fun, I think spending that money on reloading supplies would be a more valid way to save.

Of course, if you're doing it for fun, then it's absurd to pass any kind of judgment on what you do to your gun! If shooting a 1911 with a .22 conversion is somehow as much fun as shooting bullseyes with a .22 target pistol, I guess I'll have to try it sometime.
 
I love my kadet kit, and while it doesn't recoil like the 9mm slide. The magazines are the same size as the 9mm mags, so I practice slide-lock reloads, reloads with retention, etc. I get the same grip, trigger and ergos, whats not to like? Some say get a dedicated .22 pistol. But the point is to shoot a .22 that looks and feels like the sidearm you would carry. My kadet kit goes on every range trip. If S&W made a conversion kit for the M&P I would be all over it. .22s that look like their centerfire counterparts are cool, and inexpensive to shoot.

best regards,

Luis Leon

P.S. I got a .22 dedicated AR15 upper. Main reason, so I could shoot an AR platform inexpensively. .22s rock!
 
I buy expensive guns because I've worked for 35 years and I can afford them. There's no status in it for me, I buy what I want with money I've earned. I don't post pix to brag or show off, I just post them as what they are - pix of weapons I own and use.

No need for me to comment on this anymore other than to say I'd be glad to see you post any pix of guns you own - and no, I won't accuse you of showing off...
 
I wish springfield (or anyone else for that matter) would make a XD conversion kit, i htought i had found one, then it turned out to be a ad for nothing. Can't find ANY!?!?! A few people i know (including me) would love a XD kit. A .22 pistol like the P22, MK__, or buckmark just isn't the same as your actual carry gun, just super cheap to shoot. It is like comparing a standard ruge 10/22 to a .22lr AR-15, they feel different.
 
Even if the recoil isn't identical to the full-size gun, the trigger pull is. I'm much more concerned about the trigger practice. I used to dry-fire 1000s of times, this is certainly better than that. And if you use hot ammo, (I use Stingers and Velocitors) the recoil is actually pretty significant.

And, BELIEVE ME, the last thing I'm concerned about at the range is that you think my gun looks silly. You shoot until you run out of money. I'll shoot until MY HAND GETS TIRED. I'll be there longer.

On the list of things to do, is build a dedicated frame for it so that I don't have to switch back and forth, and maybe buy an extra barrel, to have it drilled and tapped for a silencer. Ciener also sells 15 rd mags for them.
 
I don't understand the point in .22 conversion kits. A good new .22 target pistol is half the price of your average service pistol. The conversion kits also tend to be about half the price of a service pistol. Why is it a good idea to spend $300 to turn another gun into a gun-and-a-half? Why not just shoot a real .22?
If your only reason for owning a gun is for defense or hunting, it makes sense because you practice using your hunting or defense gun's sights, ergonomics, and trigger.

That implies that .22 practice is an equitable substitute for .45 practice,
It won't be the same, but .22 practice will usually make you a better .45 shot. The low recoil also means you can practice more without getting a flinch. (I'm a target shooter, so I especially hate those.)
 
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