Why I’m going to sell my Kimber 1911 (LONG)

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StrikeFire83

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I own 4 weapons, all of which I take to the range on a regular basis, and all of which I expect to function flawlessly, as my life may depend on any of them at any time.

I bought my Glock 17 in April, and have put about 1500 rounds downrange with it, half crappy Blazer aluminum and half Remington UMC brass. I’ve had ZERO failures.

I bought my Kahr K9 in November of last year, I’ve put about 800 rounds downrange with ZERO failures. Very accurate in my hands out to 12-15 yards.

I bought my Ruger SP-101 two weeks ago and have put about 175 rounds, half .38 and half .357 with NO problems at all.

I bought my Kimber Custom II last September, paid $669 + tax, the most expensive handgun I own. I’ve put 850 rounds down range with it (know the EXACT number because of the high cost of .45) Got it because I believe in the .45 caliber and wanted the nostalgia/accuracy of a 1911 platform handgun. Accuracy has been dead on, with everything within a 4 inch circle at 20 yards…which for me is excellent. Reliability has not. I’ve shot nothing but good quality brass case BALL ammo through this thing and I get about one JAM every 50 rounds. Sometimes the slide locks open half-way through a mag, sometimes it won’t eject the spent casing, and sometimes it jams when loading a new round into the chamber.

I’ve cleaned this thing religiously, after EVERY range session. I can’t say that for the Glock or for the Kahr, both of which have been FLAWLESS! I’ve got a great new job starting in January, and I’m probably going to lose the ***** one that I have a bit earlier than expected.

The thing about it is that I really TRIED to love this Kimber, and still do even though it hasn’t been there for me. There is no room in my life “Safe Queens” or “Range Irons” and I don’t think there ever will be. I know I’ll get another 1911 again some day, I like the platform, ergo, accuracy and nostalgia too much to abandon it forever.

But as for my Custom II, it’s going pawn shop hopping with me next week.

Sorry bout the long thread, but I’m kinda mad, needed to vent a bit.
 
Don't give up on the 1911 just because of the Series II Kimber. Kimber built their reputation off of the pre Series II. Those were great 1911's. Try Colt, Springfield, or a used Kimber pre Series II.

Dobe
 
Don't give up on the 1911 just because of the Series II Kimber. Kimber built their reputation off of the pre Series II. Those were great 1911's. Try Colt, Springfield, or a used Kimber pre Series II.

Believe me, I like the 1911 platform too much to abandon it forever, just don't have room in my life for the malfunctioning Kimber right now. I'm done with Kimber...whenever the next one finds its way into my possession it WON'T be a Kimber. Maybe a Colt or Springfield, but I'm done buying guns for quite awhile.

My strategy now it so get tack accurate with the three I have right now.
 
StrikeFire83,

I am sorry that you have been disappointed in the Kimber. I have a close friend who has an excellent Kimber, but I have listened to horror stories.

In your position I would replace the Kimber, and consider a different 1911 if I was tied to that platform.

I have had poor experiences with the compact platforms.

Charles

BTW my Kahr K-9 is approaching 5000 flawless rounds of fire.

Charles
 
^ Don't worry, I'll get another 1911. It will likely be my next firearms purchase...but that may be a few years away, as I've gone on a buying spree over the last year.
 
I doubt any of the three others you have will be as accurate as the Kimber no matter what you do. Kimber is trying to make Bullseye accuracy in a combat gun and reliability suffers.

--wally.
 
As far as accuracy, in my untrained but I'd say competent hands, all I really NEED is center of the silhouette at 15 yards. I’m not into competition or shooting playing cards or any of that jazz.
 
StrikeFire83:

The Kimber Custom II isn't exactly a 1911 platform pistol. The 1911 platform is something that John Browning and Colt created during the first decade of the 20th century. The Kimber Custom II is that company's adaptation of the Browning/Colt design.

It is the Colt, and pistols made by wartime contractors that established the pistol's reputation for reliability and accuracy. The current crop are more-or-less (mostly less) clones of the original. The other fine pistols you own are originals - not somebody's copies.

Next time you try out the 1911 paltform buy the real thing. Take it from one who has been shooting them for over a half-century... You won't be disapointed.
 
I recently bought a Custom II and have not had any problems with it through several hundred rounds. I hear that quality magazines can make a big difference. I just bought two Wilson Combat 8 rounders. Why don't you give a different magazine a try?
 
Sorry your Kimber isn't working out for you. I have over 8000 rounds through mine without any serious problems. Sounds like you need better quality magazines. But hey, thanks to nice guys like you, I have bought several used guns that work great!!
 
My Pre-series II Custom does OK.

Good mags and good ammo can really make this system work, or not work at all.

Especially good mags. I didn't even keep the factory supplied ones. I use Wilson or Metalform. Someone I see who's having a problem, 9 chances out of 10, a Wilson mag full of WWB 230's will solve it.

I have 3 1911's. The Kimber, a Colt, and one I built during a week with Jim Garthwaite. They'll work.

I've seen Glocks fail, HKs fail, revolvers fail, everything mechanical can fail. I am kinda :uhoh: to the Series II Kimbers, though.
 
Today's failure (singular) happened while using one of the KIMBER 7 round mags that came with the gun.

I have a Chip McCormick 8 round Mag that I bought about a month ago and have used for the first time today. A little more than half of the rounds that I fired today (50) were through the McCormick and there were no failures. The guy at the gun store said that McCormick mags are among the best.

I don't understand why the FACTORY mags that ship WITH a $700 pistol should be bad.

What are people's opinions of the McCormick mags?

Should I throw Kimber's mags away and only use McCormick/Wilson mags and see if the problems go away?
 
StrikeFire83, did you try tossing the factory mag and using Wilson 47Ds? I had a couple of FTFs when I first bought my CC, but since I switched to Wilsons I have put somewhere in excess of 10,000 rounds through it with no failures.
 
StrikeFire83, did you try tossing the factory mag and using Wilson 47Ds? I had a couple of FTFs when I first bought my CC, but since I switched to Wilsons I have put somewhere in excess of 10,000 rounds through it with no failures.

So what I'm hearing is that factory mags, even at the Kimber level, are cr@p.

Up until today the two factory mags that the gun came with are ALL I've been using. I've heard that 1911s are mag-sensitive, but I always assumed that meant when buying EXTRA mags of low quality, not when using the mags that shipped with the weapon.

Maybe I'll postpone my pawn shop trip. Like I said, there are a lot of things I love about this gun, and if it becomes 100% reliable then it will stay in the arsenal.
 
StrikeFire83 said: Should I throw Kimber's mags away and only use McCormick/Wilson mags and see if the problems go away?

What did I say?

I guess McCormick's will work, too. I just have an affinity for Wilson's, and especially Metalforms.

Keep the Kimber OEM mag handy, but I bet you won't have much use for it after a while and it'll be forgotten.


StrikeFire83 said: I don't understand why the FACTORY mags that ship WITH a $700 pistol should be bad.

Kimber doesn't make magazines, you know. Why do people buy better stereos for their car, or tires, or window tinting?

Who knows? I've just seen it enough to know, use a better mag in a 1911 . . . and 9 times out of 10 . . . wow, now it works.
 
A good 7 rd magazine with the dimpled follower like the ones made by Metalform or Wolff (has the stronger spring) will usually give the most reliable service for the longest time....Plus a properly tuned extractor and good ammo should let it run like it suppose to.

A lot of people use 8 rd mags with good success but remember that it was designed with a 7 rd mag and putting 8 where 7 suppose to be means that something was changed...when you change something it affects something else...you will usually get less spring life which means less proper functioning. Strong mag springs are a must. The dimpled follower was designed that way to keep it working it's proper way for the longest time. Others may disagree but after studying the reasons behind the design, it all makes sense. 8 rd mags will (should) work just fine at first but will loose out in the long run compared to 7 rders. The 8 rders with the stronger springs, like the McCormick Power Mag, will usually last the longest.....of course, your mileage will vary depending on how often they're used and if they are loaded all the way with 8 rds or if you just put 7 in - saving the springs energy somewhat.

The factory mags usually work well for a while but the ones using the flat top follower will cause problems sooner. If your 7 rd factory mag has a dimpled follower it should last quite a while but will benefit from an extra power spring when it wears down.

If it's locking the slide open during a mag, pay attention to where your support hand thumb is, it could be hitting the slide stop during recoil and causing it to engage or if that isn't it, the ammo may be nudging the slide stop up - take the slide off and insert a loaded magazine with the slide stop in place and see if the nose of the bullet touches or is extremely close to it - if it is, you can ever so lightly sand the edge of the stop back so that the bullets will clear it properly....easy does it, you still want the stop to be engaged by the follower when the mag is empty.

Check extractor tension by removing the slide and pushing a loaded rd up under the extractor, it should hold it enough so that you can move the slide around without it falling out but should be loose enough that an empty rd will drop out if you push down on it about a tenth of an inch from it's normal position as if it were fired. There is a thread on here for adjusting extractor (internal, that is) tension by 1911Tuner - THE MAN where 1911s are concerned. If it's an external extractor, well, sometimes they work just fine and sometimes they don't...the full size models of Kimbers work the best with them but it's still a crap shoot on some. Kimber has started replacing the external extractors with internal ones....so if thats your bug, they'll fix it for ya.

I feel your pain....it's sad, but a lot of 1911s come from the factory nowadays still needing the finishing touches done so don't give up on her just yet....
 
Had a Kimber Royal Custom (I) and CDP II, never had a jam on about 2k rounds (only using shooting star mags), and a Norinco (built) with similar reliability. I sold them when i needed money, now regret it and am looking for another... sometimes their are good/bad etc. (just ordered a sig gsr revolution today, but wish i still had what i sold)...

Personally, i am a Glock fan above all else, but i do love me the 1911, and a fine example is nothing to sneeze at. Have you considered warranty repair/inspection?
 
Hmmmmmm, so all those problems occured in the last 50 rounds. Here you stated that the Kimber was fantastic after 800 rounds with 1 jam (which was with WOLF steel ammo - not brass as you described above) :scrutiny: .

"In January I sold off my Ruger P345 because of its poor accuracy (in my hands at least). I took the money, and a bit extra, and picked up a brand new Kimber Custom II for right around $650.

Well, four months and 800 rounds later, I find that I made the right choice.

These are the bypes of Ammo I've shot:

FMJ
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Remmington FMJ 230 grain
Winchester White Box FMJ 230 grain
Mag Tech FMJ 230 grain
Wolf 230 grain (Steel Case)

JHP
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Speer Gold Dot JHP

People have said that 1911s have poor reliability, but that hasn't been my experience at ALL. ONE malfunction in 800 rounds, and that was a Wolf round with the steel casing that failed to eject and caused a jam. As for 1911s not being able to feed Hollow Points, I put 50 rounds of Speer JHP through with NO problems.

I could barely put all my shots on a target at 7 yards with the Ruger, but this is what I'm doing now with my Kimber."
 
Should I throw Kimber's mags away and only use McCormick/Wilson mags and see if the problems go away?
Yes!
But I'm with BullfrogKen on this one: Wilson Combat magazines are the gold standard. If your Kimber doesn't work with them, it may require a slight bit of tweaking -- even so, a trip back to the factory doesn't a bad 1911 make. Your pistol should work out in the long run, and is probably worth the trouble. Still, I'd bet it's a magazine issue.
 
Lots of folks are having trouble with those external extractors......I note the Warrior does not have it. I love my Kimber Warrior.
 
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