Why I choose this snubbie and in 9MM

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Jeb Stuart

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I have posted many times how the LCR9mm could very well be the gun I love to shoot the most. I love the Ballistics, I love the size, I can carry Apex or in my Pocket without a holster. It has proven to be dependable, reliable and after much training, I can shoot this gun with a lot of confidence for quickness and accuracy.
Many have asked me why the 9mm. For another reason is the fact that I can shoot it all day if I wanted. 200 rounds a session has no pain. Nothing like the 357, none of the loud noise, high muzzle falsh and bout half the recoil.

I just enjoyed this video from MAC on this very subject on the 9MM Snubbie.YES SNUBBIE. We are not talking about all revolvers.

Watch this video and you might be surprised.
9mm spanks .38 Special and rivals .357 magnum!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTOV4dYLQE

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I question MAC’s ammo choice for that test. While it is true that 9mm spanks .38spl it has not nor will it ever rival .357mag IMHO. With today’s fast burning powder and .357’s larger case which allows for more volume at the same pressures as 9mm. The 9mm revolver does have the advantages of moonclips for faster ejection. The versatility of the .357 makes it the clear winner in my opinion.
 
Barry loyd said:
I question MAC’s ammo choice for that test. While it is true that 9mm spanks .38spl it has not nor will it ever rival .357mag IMHO. With today’s fast burning powder and .357’s larger case which allows for more volume at the same pressures as 9mm. The 9mm revolver does have the advantages of moonclips for faster ejection. The versatility of the .357 makes it the clear winner in my opinion.
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Could you explain this why you say this in regards to the "Snub nose revolver" specifically when talking about a range of approx.7 yds.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I have posted many times how the LCR9mm could very well be the gun I love to shoot the most. I love the Ballistics, I love the size, I can carry Apex or in my Pocket without a holster. It has proven to be dependable, reliable and after much training, I can shoot this gun with a lot of confidence for quickness and accuracy.
Many have asked me why the 9mm. For another reason is the fact that I can shoot it all day if I wanted. 200 rounds a session has no pain. Nothing like the 357, none of the loud noise, high muzzle falsh and bout half the recoil.

I just enjoyed this video from MAC on this very subject on the 9MM Snubbie.YES SNUBBIE. We are not talking about all revolvers.

Watch this video and you might be surprised.
9mm spanks .38 Special and rivals .357 magnum!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTOV4dYLQE

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Pocket carry without a holster? Thought that was a no-no?
 
I would not really want to do a whole lot with 9mm in a snub nose simply because the ammo is not really designed for it. The vast majority of 9mms are semiauto and the issue the ammo would’ve been made to be setback resistant rather than recoil pull resistant. The bullets do work well enough but I tend to think a traditional revolver bullet would be better at bridging the BC gap and stabilizing since they typically have a longer bearing surface.
 
Can you tell me what ammo you trust in your lcr9? I have one but not sure what to trust yet. I know NOT to trust blazer brass at least though.
 
A 9mm +P is essentially a 357 'Kurtz'. This is stealing verbage from the 9mm & 9mm Kurtz, aka 380 ACP or 9mm short.

With a Smokeless Powder you can load a lot of pressure & energy into a case that is much shorter than a black powder case. Yes, the 357 was never a black powder case. But if they made the 357 short it would go into a 38 Special or 38 S&W and blow it up. The 9mm Luger took the bullet diameter of the 38/357 (+/-) and used smokeless powder to add velocity.

The moon clip is no worse than removing the gate on a DA revolver. A gate is much better than a button that unlocks the cylinder to eject all the rounds and replace them with a speed loader. Look at all the arguments over the dang button !! The gate solves the problem of the Colt vs S&W vs Ruger design being the best. So give me a 9mm DA Revolver with a gate and tell everybody to just **** !!!
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I have posted many times how the LCR9mm could very well be the gun I love to shoot the most. I love the Ballistics, I love the size, I can carry Apex or in my Pocket without a holster. It has proven to be dependable, reliable and after much training, I can shoot this gun with a lot of confidence for quickness and accuracy.
Many have asked me why the 9mm. For another reason is the fact that I can shoot it all day if I wanted. 200 rounds a session has no pain. Nothing like the 357, none of the loud noise, high muzzle falsh and bout half the recoil.

I just enjoyed this video from MAC on this very subject on the 9MM Snubbie.YES SNUBBIE. We are not talking about all revolvers.

Watch this video and you might be surprised.
9mm spanks .38 Special and rivals .357 magnum!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTOV4dYLQE

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Also, how did you do the stippling on your grips? I like the boot grips best myself, but would like something like that. Is that tape? Or something you did to the grip?
 
For training I shoot a lot of American Eagle 124 gr and Fiocchi. I have shot all kinds of ammo through the gun but they are my favorite choices. For defensive I have shot just about every thing out there ARX plus P, Hornady etc. HST etc. And thinking about it, here is a great review of the LCR9mm shot with different defensive ammo, all of which I have used over the past three years. By the way, the ARX Plus P reading was very interesting when fired through this gun. And when you shoot it, it is very mild.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/search?q=lcr+9mm

PS I love the Bantam boot grips. I started off with the OEM, then the Pro Diamond, and read the article above and just for the heck of it, why not give it a try. Well, Have to say they fit like a glove for me. I was totally surprised the smaller grip would handle so well, actually so much better. That is actually just grip Tape. And I quickly just cut a piece and slapped in on thinking I would cut more precisily. Lol, that was about three years ago and they are still on. And I shoot this gun Often, a lot of ammo had gone through it.

The only problem I had with the gun, is the coating started coming off the cylinder. Ruger fixed it, but not soon after, it started again on just the one chamber. It is now as we speak up at Ruger to get it right.
When I talked to the Ruger Rep, he asked me what ammo I shot and I mentioned Fiocchi, his reply was "Yes, that is what we use here".

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Does the 9mm parabellum equal a .357 Magnum in a snubbie? No. ......But it comes quite close with less flash and blast. The 9x19 is just about the most efficient of all centerfire calibers if you measure efficiency by powder charge to muzzle energy per inch of barrel. I have snubs in .38 spl, .357 and 9mm and like them all but the 9 is definitely the most efficient and for defense against 2 legged vermin arguably the best choice. I still like my .357 mag LCR as a trail gun for 4 legged aggressors.
 
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IMO the test is invalid because the revolver used to shoot the 9mm +P ammo was more than twice as heavy as the revolver used to shoot the .357 Magnum ammo. You can't claim the 9mm is much more comfortable to shoot under those conditions. It may be true but this scenario doesn't prove it.

I think it would have been an excellent test if he also used an SP101 in 38/357 to validate his conclusions.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
IMO the test is invalid because the revolver used to shoot the 9mm +P ammo was more than twice as heavy as the revolver used to shoot the .357 Magnum ammo. You can't claim the 9mm is much more comfortable to shoot under those conditions. It may be true but this scenario doesn't prove it.

I think it would have been an excellent test if he also used an SP101 in 38/357 to validate his conclusions.
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I have shot the LCR in both 9mm and 357.Both guns weigh the same and the 357 is one heck of a lot more recoil. While I am not recoil sensitive, I want no part of shooting one in 357. Each to his own. If you like the recoil of a snubbie in 357, then my hat is off to you. Just not my cup of tea.
 
In factory loadings, MAC's findings might be true. For those of us that reload, not so much. As Stumper says, it much more efficient than .38 Spl. or .357. It more of a comparison of a Porsche engine, Chevy 350, and Chevy 454 engines. The Porsche is the most efficient, but for raw power, the 454 wins hands down. A tuned up Porsche engine might exceed a stock 454, but the 454 can be tuned to levels that would blow up the Porsche engine. You'll note you don't see them in dragsters, whereas the 454 was a popular 'po boy' drag engine, for those who couldn't get a Mopar 426 Hemi.
I used to shoot very, very hot loads from my 2.5" Python. You couldn't double tap with them, but I could shoot a box.
FWIW, the main advantage I see to 9mm in a revolver over .38 Spl. is you have built in speedloaders, and of course the ammo is cheap, and cheaper to reload.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I have shot the LCR in both 9mm and 357.Both guns weigh the same and the 357 is one heck of a lot more recoil. While I am not recoil sensitive, I want no part of shooting one in 357. Each to his own. If you like the recoil of a snubbie in 357, then my hat is off to you. Just not my cup of tea.
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I never claimed to "like" the recoil of a ultralight .357 Magnum, I only wanted to see the .357 and 9mm compared in the same weight revolver, nothing more.
 
In my essentially equal lcrs (357 and 9mm), I can personally say the 9mm kicks much less with equivalent defensive rounds and range ammo. Lots less flash and BOOM! The 357 has torn my skin before with some remington jsp’s.

With both lcrs using 38 vs 9mm in equivalent defensive loads, still oddly enough I find the lcr9 less kick. I typically carry hornady critical defense in both. I haven’t shot many defensive 38 rounds recently, unless you count wadcutters. I like shooting those.
 
entropy said:
In factory loadings, MAC's findings might be true. For those of us that reload, not so much. As Stumper says, it much more efficient than .38 Spl. or .357. It more of a comparison of a Porsche engine, Chevy 350, and Chevy 454 engines. The Porsche is the most efficient, but for raw power, the 454 wins hands down. A tuned up Porsche engine might exceed a stock 454, but the 454 can be tuned to levels that would blow up the Porsche engine. You'll note you don't see them in dragsters, whereas the 454 was a popular 'po boy' drag engine, for those who couldn't get a Mopar 426 Hemi.
I used to shoot very, very hot loads from my 2.5" Python. You couldn't double tap with them, but I could shoot a box.
FWIW, the main advantage I see to 9mm in a revolver over .38 Spl. is you have built in speedloaders, and of course the ammo is cheap, and cheaper to reload.
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Talk to the boys at RUF and Koenig about getting outrageous HP out of a 911 engine...:thumbup:
 
fordtrucks said:
In my essentially equal lcrs (357 and 9mm), I can personally say the 9mm kicks much less with equivalent defensive rounds and range ammo. Lots less flash and BOOM! The 357 has torn my skin before with some remington jsp’s.

With both lcrs using 38 vs 9mm in equivalent defensive loads, still oddly enough I find the lcr9 less kick. I typically carry hornady critical defense in both. I haven’t shot many defensive 38 rounds recently, unless you count wadcutters. I like shooting those.
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Once again we are talking about a Snub nose. I do not see their has to be a advantage in 9mm over a 38sp. Did you Mean 38 plus P?

The next gun I most likely will buy is a LCRX 9mm to go along with the LCR9mm I have. The gun and ammo have proven itself with thousands of ammo down range. I would like to see one in a 3" barrel. And more 9mm's are coming out and of course the SP101 is something I am interested in. I would imagine any Plus P ammo fired in the SP would be a breeze to shoot.
And possible might get my first Taurus, the 905. I know Charter Arms makes one, but not familiar with them.

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Hornady critical defense in both. I have standard 38 spcl and +p38, but only standard 9mm in that. MIGHT have been using +p 38 when I compared the two. I did have different grips at the time- had the newer version of crimson trace (green) on the 9mm and it is a bit longer-more of a full hand grip. Masad Ayoob seemed to come to the same conclusion though-9mm kicked less.
 
I’ve been thinking about the fully concealed hammer in 9mm lcr instead of the lcrx I currently have. Would think about the sp101 but just got a new colt cobra so that weight/size category is filled currently.

So far the hammer has not caused any major issues on drawing from pocket. Had to cut the boot grip off some though. Boot grip will let you fire double action but NOT single action. Had to take between half and quarter inch off the grip up top to be able to use single action.
 
I don't have the LCR, just never took to it. However, I do like my .357 and 9mm snubbies. The .357's are fun to shoot, but the recoil is greater than 9mm by a good margin.

I had the SP101 and Taurus 605 in .357. After I got acquainted with 9mm snubbies, I got an SP101 9mm and Taurus 905.

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ArchAngelCD said:
IMO the test is invalid because the revolver used to shoot the 9mm +P ammo was more than twice as heavy as the revolver used to shoot the .357 Magnum ammo. You can't claim the 9mm is much more comfortable to shoot under those conditions. It may be true but this scenario doesn't prove it.

I think it would have been an excellent test if he also used an SP101 in 38/357 to validate his conclusions.
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Exactly. I pointed this out in the video comments but got crickets.
 
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