Why I Like 870s.....

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Dave McCracken

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This is in no way meant to dump on those "Other" shotguns out there nor the people that choose to use them, no matter how useless, overpriced, ugly and loathsome those choices may be.....

As those who have been on the board more than 3 seconds know, I'm an unabashed fan of Remington's fabulous pump gun. It takes slightly longer on meeting me in person, since folks read faster than I talk. The end's the same.

I regard the 870 as the best invention since indoor plumbing. And while I've mentioned that frequently, I've not expanded on that enough to put all the reasons in one place. So, here we go....

First,I've shot an 870 since Ike was president, a new Chevy P/U cost less than $2000, and a hunting license with ALL the stamps cost $4.50. Familiarity breeds confidence. All the pleasant memories I have that were made with an 870 nearby have to influence my decisions.

Life time shell use in diverse 870s has to be over 50K. Equipment failure, one broken firing pin spring, rectified quickly and cheaply. I've been shooting 500 rounds a month lately at a minimum and expect to wear out well before any of my 870s do.

Second, the choice of nearly all Police and Correctional agencies is the 870. This is because of its ability to continue working despite weather, dirt and sloppy PM. While another brand's ads take potshots at "1950's Technology", this is GREAT 1950's Technology, just like the Corvette, the Fender Telecaster, and Gibson's Les Paul. Or, the S&W 44 Magnum N frame and Colt Python.

Since the Vintagers worship 1880s technology, I doubt that ad campaign sells a lot of repeaters to that group,many of which own 870s.

Third, the modular design of the 870 make it simple to strip and clean. Trust me, if a ten thumbed dunce with two left hands like myself can take one apart and reassemble it after cleaning, anyone can.

Fourth, that modular construction means one can mix and match parts for a given mission.Besides the barrels, changing stocks, forearms, trigger groups, etc, is a snap. Frankenstein has more accessories than Barbie. Thus, an 870 can be set up for anything from WWIV to itty bitty birds to elk.

Fifth,if an 870 needs tweaking, there's lots of smiths out there that can clean up a trigger, straighten a mag tube to slick up the shuck, shim a stock to adjust the POI, etc. But, most 870s have acceptable triggers and innards right from the factory. Few need much besides regular exercise to keep going.

Sixth, there's a certain smug satisfaction in waiting patiently on the line while the guy with the Perazzi puts in his spare trigger group. Or helping the nice fellow with the Italian O/U who gets to shoot after his pridenjoy glitches because I brought TWO 870s. Or,quietly mentioning to a snob that the shotgun you just used to outshoot him cost less than the set of Brileys he just bought for his latest.

Seventh, there's the fact that one can assemble a battery of 870s for every conceivable mission for less than a new single use O/U.

And finally, the Big One....

I like 870s because I HIT with them at least as much as I do with any other shotguns, regardless of mission, range or target. We've eaten food furnished by 870s in homes protected by 870s,had lots of fun with 870s and will continue to do so indefinitely....
 
Yup. I only have one "serious" shotgun and it's my 870. I'd like to get a double one day, but it's hard to justify another shotgun when my 870 will do anything a shotgun needs to do. It was probably the best $260 of my gun money I've spent so far. If I could only have one long gun, it would be an 870. That's hard to say because I love my rifles, but they're not as flexible in use as a good pumpgun.

Chris
 
Ahhhhhh, Dave and his 870s.......

Bailed my a** out this weekend when my Daly went south at a club trap shoot. Dave was kind enough to allow me to use/hand over the dreaded Frankengun to me allowing me to continue. I will admit the LOP on it was longer than I normally have. It did look weird with me NOT holding the pump arm but resting my hand on the slide. And I still shot decently!

A pump was designed to be nearly indestructable and easy to use. The moving parts are simple and few. The 870 at 50 years old is just that simple and easy to use.

00-Guy
 
exactly what mtnbkr said. Only differences are that I'd like to have an Auto, not a double one day, and mine set me back $220.
I'll be taking it out for my first attempt at clay games as soon as this Michigan weather breaks.
 
uhhhh....Dave. You forgot one. There is, to my eyes at least, nothing prettier than a classic 870 Wingmaster. One of the few combinations of steel and wood which works just as good as it looks!
 
I agree. I recently attended a police shotgun instructor course. Several guys showed up with other shotguns, including one with a tricked out Beneli, but they all switched over to 870s before the week was over.
 
Thanks, folks, I know I'm preachin' to the choir, but I wanted to put all of this in one place.

Chris, as I recall, you shoot that 870 well, even with a Full Choke at Wobble.

Best get another for that young'un.

00-Guy, wasn't ratting you out. Just an example. And Frank isn't dreaded by law abiding people, just game and those evil little clay discs. BTW, that LOP is 15" on the nose. I'll try to make it back next month and bring it along just in case.

Rupestris, have fun, be safe, and let the fun train you. Getting better with a shotgun is a case of the journey being the goal.

Delmar, true. Not as many folks appreciate the esthetics of a pump as say, a SxS, but that's their loss, not mine.

Combat Effective, 870s are ubiquitious in defensive shotgunning. For the reasons given above.

A case can be made that an 870 is a great starting place for any shotgunner's battery, regardless of where they go with shotgunning.
 
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Over the years I have seen too many 870s survive the bottom of duck hunting boats and blinds to not think them the best. I started out with the 1100 but switched to the 870 as soon as I was old enough to stay with the recoil. That was about 25 years ago and I still swear by 'em. The only automatics I have seen that could even begin to keep up, in terms of reliability, was the A5.
 
The 870 is certainly a great shotgun... almost as nice as a Model 12. ;)

Seriously, any of the below make me happy. I've got the most attachment to the Winchester, but only because it's what my dad and grandfather used. I will say that there is something special about the finish and style of the Model 12, but the ease of maintenance and dual action-bars make the 870 more maintenance-friendly.


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The test test of a gun isn't anecdotal stories about X-brand gun failing during the first box of ammo, or Y-brand gun lasting through thousands of rounds.

The true test is what happens when you put a few million guns into the hands of military, police, and civilian shooters, for 50 years.

NO shotgun made since the turn of the LAST Century has PROVEN itself better than the 870.

Other brand shotguns break. The 870 has to BE broken.

The Remington 870 is the 1911 and Ak-47 of shotguns.
 
Eigth: It is a great feeling to finish a shotgun stage in a 3gun match, and over hear people behind you saying stuff like "Holy crap" "That was a pump!" "No way!" "I thought that was full auto!" "No man, that was an 870" :D

I love the 870. Simple. Easy to use. Easy to make hits with. Lasts forever. What isn't to love?
 
To watch you guys go on about Remington's scattergun one might think the 870 was akin to the perfect woman. Not too demanding, reliable, trustworthy, easy on the eyes, and likely to stay with you no matter what hell you drag it through.

Now I have to get one. Can you believe that? I've been shooting for 13 years and I still have no 870, let alone a shotgun.
 
Funny you should mention that.

I was just gonna ask you boys what you thought about the 870, as a bunch of my friends gave me a gift cert for the local sporting goods store. Was checking out the 870 but wondered if a quality, all-around entry-level gun could be had for that bargain of a price.

I guess I have my answer. Now, to decide--should I use my certificate toward the 870, or my first target rifle since summer camp?

Hmmmmmmmmm.
 
Ok, I have to chime in too. In 1972 I was a freshman in high school and I wanted a shotgun for my birthday. My Dad was not a hunter, but I was. By that time in my life I had worn out several pellet guns and put many many rounds of .22's through my Mom's Remington 512.

So knowing nothing about shotguns Dad started checking around with everyone he know about what would be a good shotgun for me to get. It did not take long for a trend to develope in the answers he got from friends and co-workers, and of coarse he came home with an 870 Wingmaster for me.

I quickly aquired a Mec 600 reloader and began my life with the 870. I was lucky to grow up down the road from a boy my age in that him and his father did hunt, and the quickly took me in. We were lucky to grow up in a rural setting and had access right outside our back doors to rabbits, pheasants, quail and even ponds with ducks on them.

Another great thing was that our high shool had an active gun club that shot trap once a week. Between the trap club and my easy access hunting I spent almost all of my free time (and money!) loading shells with that Mec 600.

So here it is some 32 years later and my old 870 has yet to fail in anyway. The blueing is worn in the places that I have carried it, and I can look at most of the scratches and dings and recall what hunt that put them there, almost like looking at a photograph.
 
Thanks again, Obviously, there's lots of happy 870 owners.

TR, nice shotguns, three classics indeed. The 870 is the only one still made, alas.

Did I mention that the 870 is the civilian firearm with the highest production?

Only military rifles like the AK,AR and Mauser 98 have been made in greater numbers.

Corriea, Amen!

Lupine, get the 870. It's the SAK of firearms. Later, add specialized firearms like a target rifle, fighting rifle, etc.

knzn, your 870 has generations more use in it. Take good care of it for your grandchildren's sake.

Lupine and Amadeus, remember that few if any 870s are ever worn out. IOW, used 870s, even beaters, have plenty of life in them. A used WM is often a bargain whose cost per use breaks down to fractions of a cent.
 
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I thought they lost all the skilled machinists over a Remington after the war , and could only turn out guns made of pressings and such like the 870. The double action bars were cooked up so you could shove all those rough edged stampings back and forth. After the model 31 ,it all went down hill at Remington IMHO. How ever I do own 4 870's incase one of my 3 Mod 31 "ball bearing cornshucker" s ever fails(not likely!) as parts are hard to get!:neener:
 
Hmm... well there is a reason the 870 is my first shotgun ;)

The fit, finish and reputation of the 870 is undeniably incomparable to the other BIG 3 shotguns. Both the mossberg and winchesters did not feel anywhere near as smooth and well finished as the 870. Well, so far my time w/ the 870 is limited, but I will say this: "This shotgun will not be let go!" I've gonna keep this gun til' the blue wears off, and all the dings and scratches get imbedded in this gun, jus' like "krzn" did.

It'll be a great experience, I cant wait to see 30 or so yrs later when this gun is still my main clay gun and everyday shootin' gun. And when I'm sitting on my porch fondlin' the shotgun thinking about my memories with it. Its just like having your first car. I still miss my first car the most.

Oh yeah, my 1911 Colt was my first handgun and that thing ain't goin' anywhere too. The life is just beginning w/ these guns, just like my "shooting life" is just born. I still have a LONG journey to go with these fine guns. And I'm expecting it to be one hellofva trip!

870's are the way to go. That's all I recommend my friends... :)
 
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Gentlemen: I do believe Dave has it Right. In the Departrment
I worked in, we had 13 - 870's that had 65,000 rounds put thru them each year. These were the shotguns that we kept at our range. Problems? None.
The 870 is , without a doubt, the BEST pump ever made. It is also a great hunting, trap, skeet, etc, gun. BIG GREEN really out did themselves with it.
 
Model12, heard you the first time. Again, this is not to dump on anyone's choice of other shotguns.

The 12,and the equally well made 31,Gordon, are great shotguns.

However, they became too expensive to produce. The marvel of the 870 is that it's as smooth, durable and versatile as the older designs. It's also lots easier to strip for cleaning.

If the 12 or 31 were capable of being produced for a retail price of less than a week's pay for a working person, they'd sell to lots of folks.

But they're not.

Sarge, such stories are far from rare. One training 870 at my old prison went from 1981 to 98 being fired hundreds to thousands of rounds each month. New wood was all it needed. It may still be on line.
 
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just raggin. an 870 lives in my house. it was my father's shotty and purchased in the first production year to replace an old win. 37 single shot. i couldn't guess how many rabbits, pheasants and squirrel it's accounted for. i bought a slug barrel for it around 1973 and know for sure that it has 11 deer to it's credit. however, when it came time for him to buy me a birthday present in 1952 it was a model 12. they've both performed spectacularly! the only things i don't care for in an 870 is there isn't a gauge specific receiver, even the sixteen and twenty weigh a ton. that darned trigger guard, always reminded me of a buck rogers ray zapper. still choose the 870 for the occasional round of trap and it still goes bang regularly after 50 years. by the way, my dad thought nothing of throwing it in the trunk with a wet dog and pulling the gun out and putting it in the closet when he got home. a couple shots of three in one and he was ready to go the next year

the best thing about any gun is the memories
 
"The best thing about any gun is the memories"....

So true. Some of my 870 memories are in the floaters. More coming..

The early 870s in 16 and 20 guages were too darn heavy for the load. The smaller receiver for the 20 is a big improvement. If they had done the 16 on that frame when reintroducing it a couple years ago, it would have sold like ice water in Hades.
 
Dave - That 20ga 870 of mine is from 1957, and built on the larger frame. It sports a 28" full-choke tube... but still feels quite a bit lighter than a 12ga. It's not a slender little wand like my 20ga Benelli... and I think that's why I tend to shoot the pump better.

Although not as light as it could be, it is a real treat to take on a long day in the field.
 
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