why is every gun store employee armed?

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I dont see why they cant just carry concealed.

Generally speaking, drawing from open carry is faster than from concealed because you aren't having to move clothing out of the way (at least it always has been for me). And as others have said, it makes you appear as more of a threat so robbers will *usually* stay away
 
I've Asked Them

I've been in several local gun shoppes in towns in which (and near which) I've lived over the last several years. Nearly always I manage to work the question into the conversation.

  • "Why do you carry on the job?"
  • "Why do you carry that pistol in the store?"
  • "Do you always carry that pistol at work?"
  • "What made you choose that sidearm for your carry?"
  • . . . and variations on those questions.

The answers all included some variation on protecting themselves and the business.

Sometimes the answer would provide insight into a choice ("well, I carry a .357 because . . ." or, more often, "I carry a 1911 because . . ." but sometimes, "I prefer the .40 cal because . . .").

In one shop, both the owners carried concealed. After I'd been a customer of theirs for a couple of years, I once complained about the concealability of [xyz] pistol, the senior partner reached back and pulled a 5-inch 1911 from his SoB position, cleared it, and had me try various positions with it (standing, sitting forward, sitting back) to see how it was he could conceal the "big gun" without difficulty. I had until that day never seen either of them carry visibly.

Their answer to "why" was basically, "you never know when some idiot is gonna try something stupid; you just never know."

Some of the owners and/or staff had stories of "that day back in 19xx when that moron/pair of morons/whatever tried to hold up the place," generally accompanied by mirthless laughter and a head shake. "You just never know."

This, of course, made it a real curiosity for me when I attended the gun counters in sporting goods stores and found that nobody was carrying. Made me squint.

So, in general, from the people who actually work in those places, in response to my "why do you do that" questions: "you just never know when some idiot will try something stupid."

 
About a decade or so ago, I used to have to make trips to our Inkster, Michigan sales office to deal with network and computer issues.

I kept driving past this indoor range on the main drag and meant to stop in. Inkster is a place you really need to have a gun but that was back in the non-shall issue days and I was a bit concerned I might be relieved of my cased arm on the way to my vehicle.

A number of years ago while on another business trip, I saw a blurb on the tv about how that range/gunstore was robbed, the owner killed and the place burned to the ground to hide the evidence.

I have no idea if the owner open carried.

Clutch
 
cardinalfan beat me to it.

The bizarre event seems to have been on SpikeTV. The robber simply thought that the door was to a regular business, but had no idea that a gun store was next door.

Here in Memphis at the largest store, a saleman was showing a 'dude' a handgun, but then the salesman went away down the main counter and was distracted.
The 'dude' decided to slip outside and show his homeboys his shiny new 'heater'.

A staffer who was there said that he and two others went straight to the car and pulled their handguns about four inches from the holsters to expose them, and asked for the "borrowed item". He did Not say whether they called the police etc.
 
I actually do know of a gun shop robbery. It was a little one-man shop (Mesa Land Guns, Apple Valley, CA), where I bought one of my most prized guns (Colt Python in 1998). I didn't know about it until I read about it in the newspaper. He was taken into the back room of the shop, conked on the head and left tied up. :mad: He was not visibly armed, however. I saw his sign up for a few weeks afterwards, but then it was replaced by something else. :( If (hypothetically) I were to open a gun shop, I would definitely be armed, and not work it alone.
 
I have been to a shop here locally where the same employees will carry different guns from time to time.

Maybe trying to promote the flavor of the month? Got a good deal on 100 S&W M&P 9mm and need to unload them. Carry a M&P 9mm and sing its praises.
 
Without stereotyping, there are those who come in "to look around" who have their hands in their pockets, their caps pulled down and in groups of three or more. Most of the time, when we step out and ask politely, "how can we help you?" they look down, see the firearm on our hip, and nine times out of ten, take a quick peek around, and leave.
We are on the lookout for those who back into the parking space in front of the store and always note the license number. We have effected the police arresting one group on auto theft in that way.
No, these people are not always "of color". It is about fifty/fifty. The scariest was a guy who came in in January, ski mask down over his face, hands deep in the pockets of a large coat. "CAN I HELP YOU", I asked loudly. You couldn't see it but you could feel the surprise as he realized he'd walked into a gun shop, face hidden, hands in his pockets, and he whipped the mask off and we got a good laugh out of it.
In the main...it is a deterrent. We hope we never have to use one of our guns but we keep them on display. We sell many, many guns and holsters to liquor shop, pawn shop, and convenient store owners in recent years after several of their owners have been shot and killed or maimed during robberies.
We do get to see good stuff coming in but most of us don't get any kind of exhorbitant discounts.
Great question, anyway.
 
I have been to a shop here locally where the same employees will carry different guns from time to time.

Maybe trying to promote the flavor of the month? [...]

That's rather cynical. Maybe they just feel like a different gun that day?
 
How many gun shops get robbed during operating hours?
It happens. About twenty years ago (where I used to live) a couple "yoots" came in, pointed at a Glock, asked to look at it, and when the counterman cleared it and handed it to the potential customer, said customer pulled a loaded mag from his pocket, slapped it into the Glock, and racked the slide.

Fortunately, the ammo in the mag was not correct for the pistol. Nobody was hurt, but "someone" was removed from the street for a while. :)
 
When I worked for a gunshop back in the 90s about half of the dealers that traveled the show circuit with us carried (even when we were somewhere it was NOT legal) and about half did not. One weekend while in another state two of our friends (dealers also) who did not carry ate with us in a restuarant next to our hotel and upon leaving the restuarant were followed back to their room by three guys who rolled them - took their money, their firearms and beat them severely. You just never know. I always carried and the cops knew it and just looked the other way.
 
There was a bad one in Tucson many years ago on Oracle south of Orange Grove Road , involving three idiot kids, and one owner. The girl distracted the owner, while one of the guys grabbed a shotgun and loaded it. The owner yelled at him to drop it, and then fired center mass with his 1911, IIRC. One kid dead, two others in custody. All three kids were well to do from good neighborhoods, not gang bangers. The kids went to prison as adults for the killing, felony murder law, once again, IIRC, but George the gun shop owner soon folded his tent and retired, profoundly affected by the incident.
 
I think the answer to this question is immediately obvious, BECAUSE THEY CAN. Sure, it offers protection and advertises products, but ultimately which one of us wouldn't open carry a firearm at their workplace if they could. Heck, I'd stroll around my workplace with my AR slung over my shoulder, if only.
 
I am armed at work for the same reason I am armed at all times. Self protection is a 24/7 issue.

Are there greater risks to myself when at work in the store ? I realy don't know, but suspect not.

For me, it makes no difference where I am, and I carried concealed, so I guess I am not out to advertise anything for the store.
 
That's rather cynical. Maybe they just feel like a different gun that day?

Maybe, maybe not.

When I was working behind the counter the owners always pushed the sales staff to sell the products you make the highest profits on. Namely, guns purchased in quantity from distributors for a nice volume discount. Dont believe it if you want to but it happens.
 
I worked 9 years in a gun store and not one of us wore a gun. Perhaps because we are in a very gun friendly state and therefore not needed.
I think that some openly carry to indicate that they are an authority, whether they actually are or not.
 
if the thieves know they're armed
Exactly!
Criminals are dumb, but not that dumb. If they wanted to risk their lives to make a living, they'd move to Alaska and become crab fishermen.
Also, an unarmed gun salesman makes about as much sense as a pickup truck salesman who rides a moped to work every day.
 
Gun stores are an otherwise attractive target for criminals. A gun store is a big payday but if everyone in the store is carrying and you don't know what they have behind the counter then it is also a big risk. It would take a pretty brazen criminal to try and rob a gunstore during store hours.
 
Why GS employees all carry guns

You have no idea how often somebody walks in and says "I know nothing about guns; educate me" (in 5 minutes or less; this is often followed by "What are you carryin' there?"; I owned thousand dollar custom guns; obviously not what we sold everyday, so my "work gun" was usually a Commander or a S&W 457: something I could sell TODAY) as often as not, its' simplest to use your sidearm as a teaching tool.

The flow chart then leads to "do you want to know about revolvers or semis?"

If they said semis, if I could, I would pull out a Beretta, a Glock, a S&W, a Ruger, a Sig and a H&K (9s') and we would talk about ergonomics and being able to reach controls and what felt best, because no one shoots well (or long) a gun that doesn't work for you; and the fastest way to an unhappy customer is to sell him something that doesn't work for him.
(I don't shoot the Beretta 92 because when I pull the trigger, my finger covers the mag button and sometimes I punch it out; great gun, bad ergonomics, for me, anyway); I find the Glock grip angle an acquired taste.

At any rate, the flow chart then leads to a discussion about calibers, recoil, reliability and accuracy, concealment, bells and whistles, and finally, money.
Unless he just has to have the coolest most expensive thing in the shop, ergonomics and the rest of that stuff be damned; too many customers like that, but my job is to receive their cash in exchange for what THEY want...
sigh...

As you can tell, I'm not primarily a Revolver guy; I did sell a S&W 640 .357 to a nun once tho...

Cheers, TF
 
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Oh yeah, BTW

We have all heard the story of the GS employee who was asked to show a specific gun and then had the customer quickly insert a loaded mag and A. Point it at him, B. Shoot him, C. Rob him...
And we have all had some idiot ask us what we'd do if that happened...

(#2 "What would you do if someone you showed a gun to grabbed it and made a run for the door?"
"That depends,,,"
"On what?"
"On whether he can run faster than 1200 FPS...")

(Hint: if you open carried it into the store, if you reach for yours, I'll reach for mine...) We always look; if I open carry into another shop (and we all know each other around here) I leave the mag out and the slide locked open out of courtesy; GS employees think like cops do about this; "I'm going home from my shift in one piece..."

And BTW your spidey sense tingles when SOME people walk in the store; the other salesman I used to work with (he always carried cocked and locked; I had to chamber one) used to move to positions where the creepy customer would be in a crossfire and wouldn't get out the door. But we were tuned in to each others' Situational Awareness; some of our regulars were too.
No, I'm not racial profiling; thats' too obvious; no, some people just don't feel right, and you know it.

Sometimes the customers tell you when they're worried about another customer; you worry when they ALL tell you.

Aren't you glad that now you know this happens in your LGS?

TF
 
Why is every salesman in the Men's Wearhouse or S&K dressed nicely? They're dressing the part. Being part of a gunshop is having gun owners as the staff. This just makes it obvious they are in fact gun owners.

It also adds a much needed layer of security in case some jacktard comes out of nowhere trying to rob the place.
 
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