Why is it sometimes called .357 Remington Magnum

[nachosgrande]

if it was developed by Smith and Wesson?

 

[SaxonPig]

Remington developed the ammo at the request of S&W who then designed a gun around the new cartridge. S&W stamps their guns 357 S&W Magnum but Remington calls it the 357 Remington Magnum. Which name you choose to use depends on who you are (Colt won't stamp S&W on their guns) and which you prefer.

 

[Jim K]

Except for S&W, most makers of guns and ammo just call it the ".357 Magnum" or plain ".357" and let it go at that.

Jim

 

[LoneCoon]

Unless you're talking about .357 Maximum.

 

[GRIZ22]

Same reason it's the 44 Remington Magnum, 308 Winchester, or 30 Winchester Centerfire (original name of the 30-30).

 

[MMCSRET]

Actually, S&W teamed with Winchester-Western to develop the 357 Magnum cartridge in 1934/35 and then built the "Registered Magnum" revolver. The 44 and 41 magnums were developed with Remington.

 

[batmann]

I believe the proper termonolgy for the .44 Magnum is the .44 Remington magnum.

 

[rcmodel]

Even though Winchester developed the ammo first for S&W, S&W held the original copyright to the .357 S&W Magnum name.

Later, when they developed the .41 & .44 Magnums, Remington developed the ammo and held the copyrights to the name.

All those copyrights have now expired and Remington can call it whatever they want to call it.

But I am not aware of them ever calling it the .357 Remington Magnum like they still do the .41 & .44 Remington Magnums.

rc

 

[MachIVshooter]

Unless you're talking about .357 Maximum.

I was wondering that as well. I don't think I've ever heard someone say ".357 Remington magnum".

 

[nachosgrande]

I saw it over at Bud's Gun Shop. Look at the caliber drop down box:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_cat_search.php?cated=26

 

[rcmodel]

Well, they are quite simply, Wrong!

rc

 

[DaGo2Guy]

.357 Remington Mag

It might be because they are using a manufacturers info and pic without edit/monitoring it, who is out of country and not cognizant of these trivia things - All in the cause of Marketing cost effectiveness, which got US into this financial mess to begin with.



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[evan price]

No Such Thing Exists. It is a .44 Remington Magnum they are thinking of.

The .357 however, is a .357 S&W Magnum as developed by Elmer Keith.

 

[Stophel]

I don't think I have EVER seen ".357 Remington Magnum".

It's .357 S&W Magnum, or just .357 Magnum.

 

[danbrew]

Pretty sure I got some ammo boxes at home that say ".357 Remington Magnum"... i'll d/c tonight when I get back to the mancave.

 

[unspellable]

Elmer?

How did we drag Elmer into this? It was one of the Wessons who dreamed up the 357 Magnum.

I have been trying to track down whether or not there was a back room experimental version of the 357 that had a full length case with the bullet seated completely inside it, in the manner of the old 38-44 Target black powder round (Not to be confused with the 38-44 High Speed.) or the Nagant round. I think I once saw a picture of such a round in an article about the 357's development.

 

[22-rimfire]

Looking at a box of Remington 357 mag ammo.... they have the box labeled "357 magnum", not 357 Remington Magnum. Same goes with 38spl. They do label the 41 mag as 41 Remington Magnum.

 

[MachIVshooter]

No Such Thing Exists. It is a .44 Remington Magnum they are thinking of.

The .357 however, is a .357 S&W Magnum as developed by Elmer Keith.

Corrected one obfuscation and promulgated another. lol

S&W conceived the .357, winchester produced ammo. It was the .44 mag that Elmer keith had a large part in the development of.

 

[evan price]

Keith's first major contribution, the .357 Magnum, was the result of handloading the .38 Special cartridge far beyond normally accepted limits, taking full advantage of the greater strength of the revolvers available in the early 20th century compared to those of the late 19th century. The .357 Magnum first became available in 1935 and quickly became a favorite among law enforcement and civilian users ... Keith's contributions to the commercial development of the .357 Magnum have been questioned by some writers, and Keith subsequently denigrated the .357 Magnum as he had the .38 Special.

Yeah, I know, wikipedia sucks, but it is a quick way to check facts sometimes. I recall Keith worked on all the Magnum cartridges back in the day.

 

[Sagetown]

Here it is August 2010 already, and looking at online store ammo, I see all brands listing the .357 Magnum Remington Piston/Revolver Ammo.

I see some listings as .357 Magnum Ammo. Am I right to assume that both are the same ammo ?

 

[rcmodel]

Yes.

There is only one kind of .357 S&W Magnum ammo, no matter which manufactures brand is on it.

The only other thing you could confuse it with is .357 Maximum, with is a longer cased .357 used in Metallic silhouette shooting. But I'm not too sure anyone even still loads it.

rc

 

[Hondo 60]

How did we drag Elmer into this? It was one of the Wessons who dreamed up the 357 Magnum.

Sorta half correct.
Much credit for the .357's early development is given to hunter and experimenter Elmer Keith. Keith's early work in loading the .38 Special to increasingly higher pressure levels was made possible by the availability of heavy, target shooting-oriented revolvers like the Smith & Wesson 38/44 "Heavy Duty" and "Outdoorsman", .38-caliber revolvers built on .44-caliber frames. The .38-44 HV load, used the .38 Special cartridge loaded to a much higher velocity than standard .38 Special ammunition. The .38-44 revolvers were made by using a .44 Special size gun with the barrel and cylinder bored to .357 caliber (the true bullet diameter of the .38 Special). Since the frame, cylinder, and barrel were much stronger than the standard .38 Special components, it was capable of withstanding much higher pressures. The .38-44 HV round, while no longer available, was in most cases the equal of the later .357 Magnum, which works at more than double the pressure of standard .38 Special. The .357 Magnum addresses the safety issues earlier cartridges had by stretching the case by approximately 1/8th of an inch, preventing the high pressure .357 cartridge from chambering in a firearm designed for the shorter, lower pressure .38.[10] Elmer Keith also contributed the Keith-style bullet, which increased the mass of bullet located outside of the cartridge, while leaving more room inside the cartridge for powder. The Keith bullet also employed a large, flat meplat, thus enabling rapid energy transfer for greater wounding properties. At the same time, this bullet design does not deform like a hollow point, and as a result achieves greater penetration. These characteristics of the Keith bullet make it very suitable for hunting applications as well as target shooting.

I too have seen places that label the .357 "357 Remington Magnum"
Quite plainly - they're wrong.

Perhaps they got confused with the 357 Registered Magnum
written as .357 Reg Magnum

 

[rcmodel]

Phil Sharp & Doug Wesson had more to do with the development of the .357 Mag then Elmer.
When it came out in 1935, it used a bullet much closer to Phil Sharps design then Elmer's.

Elmer was much more involved with the later .44 Mag in 1955 then the .357 in 1935.

rc

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I am unsure where .357 Remington Magnum came from, as it was developed by Smith & Wesson and Winchester. It would be proper to call the .357 Maximum a Remington, since it was developed by Remington, as was the .44 Magnum.

 

[D R Greysun]

All you have to do is read the head stamp and believe what you read!

D R