Why is the M-1100 still made?!

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Remington catalogs several versions of the old M-1100, although it was supposed to have been replaced by the M-11-87, which is basically an improved M-1100.

Does anyone know why the M-1100 is still made, and in more versions than it was some years ago?

I've heard that it has fewer functioning problems than the M-11-87, and that many prefer the older gun.

Anyone know?

I have seen posts by people who said the 11-87 didn't work for them, especially in 20 ga. ??

Lone Star
 
Not just still made, but brand new versions are coming out. The number of barrels and competition accessories available for it is just astounding. It's especially popular among competition shooters of various stripes.

Remington makes them because people won't stop buying them.

Ever shoot one?
 
Yeah, I used to own one.

Had to sell it when my GI Bill check was late and I needed school money. Many years ago...

I'm asking this question because if I buy an auto to get softer recoil, I had supposed the 11-87 was a refinement of the original, and better.

Would I be better off getting an M-1100, and why or why not? Why do people keep buying the older style with the 11-87 available? What scares them off the newer version?

Lone Star
 
The 11-87 will shoot 3" or 2 3/4" loads without modification and interchangably. For hunting, that's a good thing. I hunt waterfowl and need to shoot 3" loads. I use a pump, but an 11-87 would be a good gun for shooting doves early season, switch to waterfowl later, use on quail in January, hunt turkey in the spring.

Competition shooters don't care about 3" and as I understand it, though I don't own 'em both, the 1100 balances better for most folks not having the longer receiver and all that extra hardware forward to buffer the heavier loads, bleed off the excess gas.

If you want the gun for hunting, I'd get an 11-87, especially if you're going to do waterfowl or turkey.
 
Because they work.

I have an early 1970s production 12ga 1100 with a 2 3/4" chamber that I use for skeet. The thing just works. Not flashy, not sexy, but all business.

The 11/87 might look like it can fully replace the 1100, and for many, it just might. But the 1100 has become a true classic autoloader for a reason.
 
The question should be why is the 11-87 still around!

The newest 1100 can shoot 2.75 and 3 inch. I just pulled a friend's 1187 apart to show him how to properly clean it and I can say that I like my 1100 even more now.

Mike
 
Thanks, guys, but what we're not getting at is what's actually wrong with the 11-87?

What is it that causes it to be less of a gun than the 1100?

I can get by with a 2.75-inch chamber, so that's not a problem. I guess I can fire three-inch shells in my M870, if I ever need to, although I seldom hunt long range ducks or geese, let alone cranes.

I do want the lesser recoil of an auto, but not using three-inch shells when I don't need them will also lessen recoil.


LOne Star
 
Because Remington 1100 is a trusted name that has been around for 50 years. Remington 11-87 sounds like something made up by Joe the accountant in the back room.

Also, the original 11-87's had plain receivers without the simple engraving pattern that was standard on 1100's. Made the 11-87's look cheap (no doubt, another decision made by Joe the accountant in the back room). The 11-87 was seen as a solution to a problem that most shotgunners did not have. For those who needed a 3" chamber, there were plenty of other guns available to meet that need. Upland bird/small game hunters and clay shooters simply didn't have a need for a plain looking gun with a 3" chamber.
 
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Cuz they work, we had a couple of guys who used to show up and get some pitstops done now and then on theirs, one claimed a 1/2 million rounds thru his...and he was not prone to lying.
 
what's actually wrong with the 11-87?

Nothing. I know people with field 11-87s that serve just as well as 1100s, and they don't need two barrels. 1100s and standard 11-87s aren't significantly different; they share the same owner's manual. (11-87 Super Magnums are more complex, but still share the same manual).

I have an 1100 myself, a 1971 Magnum. It's as well-built as a Wingmaster. I like it, but I'd have gotten an 11-87 too, if I hadn't seen a real good deal on this gun in near-perfect condition despite its 35 years.

BUT.... For competition, the choice is easy. Like the 10/22, you can get damn near anything to tweak your 1100. Aftermarket barrels favor the 1100; you can get straight-rifled barrels, trap-rib barrels, etc. And the gun just feels right. A bit more simplicity and the ability to easily cycle light loads quickly make for a good comp gun.

Until recently, Remington DIDN'T make the 1100 Field in 12 Gauge any more, and in the other gauges, the demand for multiple shell sizes just isn't there. Remington just started making the Field in 12 again, since they made Skeet, Trap and other variants. They don't make the 11-87 in anything but 12 and 20, either, so the 1100 fills out their product offerings with a 16, 28 and .410 that the 11-87 doesn't, as well as 12 Gauge Trap, Skeet, and Tactical models.

Now, they also make the 1100 G3, which is an 1100 with an overbored barrel, various tweaks, a high-tech finish, and a gas system that offers automatic compensation for loads and shell lengths like the 11-87. It's a tad steep, though, $500 more than an 11-87 Premier AFAIK if you can find one yet. Nice gun, though.
 
Remington Competition Master, 8+1 capacity

I bought this new model a couple of years ago and I really think highly of it. It's a relatively soft shooter with 00 Magnum Buck.

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Aye, I used to have an 1100 (just sold it a little while ago actually) and I chose it over the 11-87 because I didn't need to shoot 3", and it felt more handy and pointable than the 11-87.
 
If I recall, which isn't the case always, the balance of the 1187 was different than the 1100...looks also. It felt heavier in the "nose" than the 1100...to me anyway.
So, Remington brought the 1100 back...correct...popular demand?

Regardless, competitive shotguns were introduced that could handle a wide variety of shells that the 1100 couldn't. So, Remington reacted. Good idea, but they fooled with the legendary "handling/balance" of the 1100.

Plus, IMHO again, it sounds nice that you can have one shotgun handle everything from skeet to ducks, but I think most people that shoot a fair amount, buy and use different guns for certain "tasks". I'm not taking my sporting clays gun out to the marsh or sticking it in a snowbank for geese.

I think the reputation the 1100 has about needing to be cleaned all the time started in the "old days" when many shot them "dry" or used light oil. Nowadays, a good clp should keep it running quite a while, modern powders are cleaner, and it takes about 3 minutes to clean a 1100...so the Beretta that "never" needs cleaning means nothing to me if I shoot a 1100 better.
 
I don't want to stray too far off topic, but does anybody know where to find good instructions for breaking down and cleaning an 1100? The owner's manual seems to be pretty vague.
 
I used the downloaded owner's manual and stripped the thing down completely. It was DIRTY when I bought it. Some existing familiarity with the 870 was helpful.

What are you having trouble with?
 
So, Remington brought the 1100 back...correct...popular demand?


It never went completely away. There was always an 1100 model or two being made even after the 11-87 was introduced. Late 80's-early 90's as Remington lost sales to Browning and Beretta they realized that 11-87 was a marketing failure and began to expand the 1100 line to recapture sales.

They should have learned from the Coke/New Coke/Classic Coke fiasco -- don't tinker with success. These days when someone asks what's the best autoloader for hunting or clays, Browning Gold and Beretta 391 are the common responses. When some asks what a good cheap autoloader, Remington 1100/11-87 is the common answer.

I'm sure Rem still sells plenty of the 11xx line simply because of name recognition and they're priced well below Brownings and Berettas. But I'd buy a Beretta 3901 American before I'd buy a Rem 11xx. It's a made in the USA, rebadged Beretta 390 -- one of the most popular clay shooters of all time. And they're priced around the same price as the 11xx's.
 
SM,

Good point about the lead shot. We didn't need a 3" back then...I forgot!
Agree on the 28 gauge, which I've used the last several times hunting. Anyone that doesn't like or "own" a 28 gauge hasn't shot one yet! ;)

RNB65,

I didn't realize they maintained 1100 production the whole time. My 1100 is now 34 years old, so I haven't been in the market for one in a while. :)

The Beretta is a well made auto, better in some respects than the 1100.
 
The 3901 is appealing, and it feels decent, but not like my old 1100. Not a particularly nice-looking piece, either, especially up close, but solid. Should be under 600 bucks for the plastic gun, but Beretta isn't shy about adding a bit onto any price just for the name Beretta, because people are willing to pay it. The plastic one feels a lot like a Mossberg 930.

There's something I just don't "get" about a lot of Browning's product offerings, and I have one.:) It's hard to put a finger on what it is. The Citori feels like a clunker to me, the Cynergy, which I like, is hard as hell to find, the Gold is bulky, and the BT-99 is overpriced. I have an old 99 because I can't afford a Beretta trap gun. Frankly, I've thought about getting an 1100 trap instead, because I'd probably shoot better with it, but I'm not so fond of cleaning guns that much.

The 11-87 20 Gauge is a nicely-balanced gun. The older 1100 LT-20 feels a tad better, though.

Best gas autoloader I've felt lately is the new Remington 105. It, too, is expensive and completely unproven. I think a lot of people would prefer the devil we know to the devil we don't. I can carry 50 O-rings in my pocket, if I want to.:)

Benelli has certainly made huge inroads, and it's easy to see why. Their guns aren't cheap, but they offer pump-gun simplicity and low maintenance along with autoloader functionality, with a well-deserved Energizer Bunny reputation. It seems like nobody shoots clays with them, though, unless it's the day before duck season or something.

Once upon a time, there were 1100s and there were Auto-5's. Then, suddenly, there were a lot more good guns available. Remington couldn't hope to keep their market share in the autoloader arena.

Now, I see few autoloaders at the clay range at all. O/U's, singles and combos dominate. Frankly, I see a lot of people shooting guns for reasons other than the value they offer, and I'll leave it at that.:)

None of that, however, means that a good 1100 or Auto-5 won't work just as well in the field as it did years ago.
 
Around her autoloaders are becoming very popular at the sporting clays ranges. A lot of fellows that used to walk around with O/U's on their shoulder are now carrying Beretta 391's and Browning Golds.

I'm one of them. I recently switched from a Browning 425 to a Beretta 391 and my scores have improved significantly. The lighter autoloader is just a wonder to handle. I still shoot the O/U for fun occasionally, but I'm an autoloading guy from now on.
 
I recently switched from a Browning 425 to a Beretta 391 and my scores have improved significantly.

Not surprising. I just don't think that a lot of people here have caught on to that.:)

Hey, which 391 variant did you get?
 
Hey, which 391 variant did you get?

391 Urika Sporting w/ 28" barrel. Best handling shotty I've ever held. I absolutely love the slim forearm. The reason I've never shot autoloaders in the past is because I hate fat forearms. Kudos to Beretta for developing a gas system with a skinny forearm.

I had to send it back to Beretta when I first got it due to a feeding problem and I was a bit bummed. But they fixed it and it shoots like a dream now. I haven't experienced a single problem since it came back from repair.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=196016
 
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