I agree, when the discussion is long range target shooting. No doubt about it these days. A good debate would be just how much of a handicap the .308 would be and why.I think taliv's argument--that the .308 has been displaced as "top dog"--is exactly right.
As you know I too have the FN SPR in .308. It is a fine rifle, if not cutting edge long range ready. Since you will be re-barreling to a new caliber, this would be a fine time to listen to the arguments for/against other calibers.I have an FN SPR that I've learned a lot from by sending 6,000+ hand loaded .308 rounds though it. I will send it to Short Action Customs soon for a re-barrel and I'm leaning toward .260 rem
Since you will be re-barreling to a new caliber, this would be a fine time to listen to the arguments for/against other calibers.
Indeed! How is it for barrel life?showed an 11 fps ES and 2.7 fps SD over 40 shots with his 6 dasher. pretty impressive.
I have that problem with lots of things.Heck, If I could make up my mind
I agree 100 %training and practice are more important than caliber choice
some of us don't shoot just for enjoyment. some of us shoot to develop a capability and to maximize the effectiveness.
and those of us who do shoot for enjoyment, tend to enjoy hitting targets a lot more than missing them. so helping people hit more targets with good advice instead of old and busted advice is a good thing. you don't have to listen to good advice. feel free to keep shooting 308win. it won't hurt my feelings. but if new shooters read this thread, i don't want them to get bad advice and think that 308 is the best place to start.
I've been reading quite a bit and have shot friend's rifles chambered in .243 and 6.5 CM.
Honestly, my lean toward .260 is more a lean away from what is "trendy". I've also been contemplating .284 win and 6mm Dasher.
Heck, If I could make up my mind the rifle would have already gone to the shop and been back by now and I'd be in this thread throwing dirt on the grave of the .308 like so may others
uhh, because the 308win is marginally effective, and nowhere close to maximum effectiveness?Of course, there are those who would definitely like to develop a capability and maximize effectiveness and maybe they want to do it with a .308win. What is the matter with that?
How people enjoy their shooting varies. Some people want to shoot bigger bores. Others, not so much. The absolutism advice of the OP is flawed because of the absolutism. There is no way that the claim that there is NO reason for recommending the .308win "For shooting enthusiasts (by this I mean people shooting for enjoyment, not survival) interested in a centerfire bolt-gun for casual target and any kind distance work" is just plain flawed.
Benchrest guys would do this with a newbie struggling with poor equipment. It really helped make the light go on and show that spending the money was worth it. I was mentored by a couple of shooters and they helped steer me to some top notch used equipment capable of winning matches, so I got started off well.where i shoot, folks are friendly and 2 or 3 guys will let the new guy shoot their rifle a few times
Another one you might consider is the 6mm Super Long Range (6mm SLR) which is simply a .243 run into a FL sizing die that creates a 30 degree shoulder angle and a longer case neck, same overall length. This is probably the next chambering I'm going to get.
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.243, 6mm SLR & 6XC
The idea of buying cheap .243 brass, prepping and sorting it has got me interested.
Chuck
It is that, although I am nearly out of it. Well, except for the brand new 147 gr FMJ I bought for $80 quite some time back. I bought 500 surplus, but it came in corroded, and they replaced it with 500 new in the box IMI.Whacking steel with $.50cpr factory/surplus ammo is fun though.
I want a caliber that hits with the momentum of a 700 Nitro, has the reach of the cheytac, but with the recoil, weight and costs of the 22LR.
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That would be nice, wouldn't be?
The 308 can do things the 260/6.5 cannot do and vice-versa.
A simple 7mm-08 gives the best of both sides of the spectrum.
Ballistics, like physics itself, is always a world of trade-offs of some sort.
Don't let the internet and youtube fashions interfere with your judgement.
I've seen you write this before, but I've never seen you post the details of this one load to rule them all. I'm interested to hear the specifics of this 7mm-08 load, bullet, powder weight, barrel brand/length, actual chrono'd velocity, etc.
I thought you were saying that the 7mm-08 load would leave the 6mm and 6.5mm offerings behind in terms of pure external ballistics. The 147gr 6.5mm ELD at similar velocities would shoot inside those 7mm loads, as would 110gr 6mm Sierra's at 3,050 fps. In terms of cutting the wind, that 7mm load is good, but not in a league by itself, the 7mm does strike an attractive balance of ballistics and power though, if you need it.