Why no bull barrels in IDPA?

[Jim Watson]

Yeah, we're going to have to Do Something about that Langdon guy and his highly torqued SIG Sauers; can't be having him show up The Founder's guns.

And adjust the rules to keep a Springfield employee from winning so much, too.

I guess I was just lucky nobody showed up at the club shoot yesterday with a Wilson to knock out my cheap Colt.

Bill bashing.
Phooey.

 

[faustulus]

IDPA just looked at IPSC to determine what to do and not to do...it was easy for them.

Huh? I don't think I understand this statement. The implication is IPSC is doing something wrong, but to my knowlege, anything you can do in IDPA you can do in IPSC.

The 10mm was a tough one because it was...and then it wasn't. Not good, but it never should have been in the category anyway. If you allow the 10mmm, why not the 40, 38 super, 9mm...if they make major. Again look at IPSC for what not to do.

Well if you want to use that arguement then finish the logic trail. Why let 9mm compete with Supers or .40s and 10mm?

Also, in regards to Bill Wilson, he has opened himself up to a bit of criticism. As I recall, the 4.2 rule wasn't introduced until after Wilson started making one. But either way the rule book invites comparison to other sports -- IPSC specifically -- and Wilson has set himself up of King of the IDPA fiefdom.
Don't get me wrong, I like shooting, I like IDPA, I like IPSC. There is nothing wrong with anyone making a profit. But just like it works on the board and in society, don't expect to say something about another organization without someone speaking out agaisnt you.

 

[45auto]

{ IDPA just looked at IPSC to determine what to do and not to do...it was easy for them.}

Someone has to teach me how to properly highlight a quote.

What I meant by that is simply that IDPA was born out of IPSC because of the discontent with the "equipment race"...basically. Therefore it's easy for IDPA to look at IPSC and do it differently. IDPA is mainly "common" guns and far less choices in allowed options.

The essence of IPSC is modify the gun and caliber to whatever "works" best, i.e. open division with various calibers, comps, optics, etc...just about anything goes. Is that wrong...no, it's different.

My 10mm statement or thought process is this: CDP is a 1911 45 ACP division, that's the intent. You can argue that Wilson did that because he sells 1911 45's. Fine, but the vast majority of 1911's sold and the millions in existance are in 45. If you wish to nuetralize the "equipment" aspect of shooting, you level the playing field. You might as well do it with the most common, easily bought caliber. No issues about recovery factors, recoil impulse of smaller calibers and all that stuff. It's real simple, "this is what you buy" so concern yourself with shooting now because your equipment concerns are done.

The alternative is to let other calibers in, and at that point, when the smaller calibers take over, you will buy custom $2,000 1911's or force the manufacturers to accomodate. In the end, what would be the advantage or point of this expensive exercise? Shooting sports don't influence caliber decisions for the buying public (real carry guns). That's what IDPA want to be.


Again, just opinions.

 

[Correia]

tetchaje1,

Since you are in Utah, come out and shoot with us at www.udpl.net We are an IDPA club, but there is actually only a single "officially sanctioned" IDPA match a year and that is the state championship in September. That would be the only one where anybody would get their panties in a wad about your gun being 100% rule compliant.

We follow IDPA rules for our matches, but primarily we are here to have fun. If you want to come out and shoot with a 5" bull barreled gun, we aren't going to turn you away. Also when we post the scores we post them by division (in the proper IDPA manner) but we also post everybody's scores in a big overall lump category as well. We have had people shoot non-IDPA approved guns before and we have just lumped them in as unclassified. So come shoot, have fun, and then compare your scores to whoever you want.

Also several times a year we shoot all steel matches where any gun that won't damage the steel is allowed. This is a pistol match but I used a shotgun in the last one.

 

[faustulus]

45auto,

The problem is that there is just as much of an equipment race in IDPA as there is in IPSC.
People tend to pick the gun they think they will shoot the best. So you see a lot of 34 and 35 glocks or people who normally carry lightweight officer models with tricked out 1911s. Not that there is anything wrong with this. But the point I would make is there is nothing in IPSC rules which wouldn't allow you to 'shoot what you carry'

 

[Joe D]

The 10mm was kicked out of CDP because it was not manly enough. Only wimps shoot 10mm.
I am glad IDPA is letting the 45 GAP into CDP. Wait!!! I thought I heard hell freezing over. False alarm 45 GAP is still in SSP.
Watson, you need to dump that Colt and get yourself a quality 1911 like a Charles Daly.