Why no police departments issue an XD:
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Oh, and to answer why few departments don't issue the gun is:
1) not many depts issue guns anymore, allowing/mandating offices to supply their own (from a list of approved models)
2) Springfield Armory is tight with replacement parts. Last I heard, even taking their armorer's course doesn't help to a significant degree. In contrast, S&W will ship anyone any pertinent part the M&P uses and Glock will send any part to a dept armorer.
1) not many depts issue guns anymore, allowing/mandating offices to supply their own (from a list of approved models)
2) Springfield Armory is tight with replacement parts. Last I heard, even taking their armorer's course doesn't help to a significant degree. In contrast, S&W will ship anyone any pertinent part the M&P uses and Glock will send any part to a dept armorer.
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Here is a recent memo from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Dept.:
RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.
SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION, THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.
ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377 RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.
PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO LIEUTENANT MICHAEL C. REYNOLDS OR SERGEANT DAVID NELL AT THE B.C. RANGE.
Hope this helps.
Fred
RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.
SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION, THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.
ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377 RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.
PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO LIEUTENANT MICHAEL C. REYNOLDS OR SERGEANT DAVID NELL AT THE B.C. RANGE.
Hope this helps.
Fred
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TROLL crossing... Be alert. 700 rounds (14 boxes) x 12 FTF's per box = 168 failures. My experience is:
HS2000 in 9mm: 500 rounds (one case) in one day with two magazines... ZERO failulres of any kind.
XD40: 1000 rounds of reloads, lead 180gr Truncated Cone bullets, one magazine, ZERO failures of any kind.
XD45: 250 rounds (split a case with a friend), two magazines, ZERO failures. He also had ZERO failures with his XD45.
In over 10 years of probably 10-12 hours a week at the range watching scores of XD users churn through tens of thousands of cartridges, I can recall maybe a handful of misfires, most of which I'd contribute to reloads.
And I'm supposed to believe your story, why? Extraordinary stories require extraordinary proof. Show me the videos.
I don't like the XD. Makes me think too much as I'm always afraid I'm not hitting the grip safety enough. I shoot them because I buy used guns and sell them... like marrying somebody and not having sex with them... BUT... I'm callin TROLL on the OP. Sorry.
HS2000 in 9mm: 500 rounds (one case) in one day with two magazines... ZERO failulres of any kind.
XD40: 1000 rounds of reloads, lead 180gr Truncated Cone bullets, one magazine, ZERO failures of any kind.
XD45: 250 rounds (split a case with a friend), two magazines, ZERO failures. He also had ZERO failures with his XD45.
In over 10 years of probably 10-12 hours a week at the range watching scores of XD users churn through tens of thousands of cartridges, I can recall maybe a handful of misfires, most of which I'd contribute to reloads.
And I'm supposed to believe your story, why? Extraordinary stories require extraordinary proof. Show me the videos.
I don't like the XD. Makes me think too much as I'm always afraid I'm not hitting the grip safety enough. I shoot them because I buy used guns and sell them... like marrying somebody and not having sex with them... BUT... I'm callin TROLL on the OP. Sorry.
there's always pictures of plastic guns blowing up, it's usually from the shooter using bad ammo, like a double charged reload, or a reload with a sufficiently weak case wall. (even when it happens with an xd).
as for the LAPD story, not sure what to make of that one.
any issues with the m&p smith has taken care of. Cincinnati pd had mag drop issues at first, but smith fixed it.
seems like an over reaction on the part of an agency that has made bad firearms decisions in the past, issuing a gun (beretta 92) that is too big for most officers hands to allow them to shoot really well with it. not to mention the long double action trigger pull.
and if i'm not mistaken the LAPD just recently approved glock for officer carry too! only being decades behind most other major metro police agencies.
as for the LAPD story, not sure what to make of that one.
any issues with the m&p smith has taken care of. Cincinnati pd had mag drop issues at first, but smith fixed it.
seems like an over reaction on the part of an agency that has made bad firearms decisions in the past, issuing a gun (beretta 92) that is too big for most officers hands to allow them to shoot really well with it. not to mention the long double action trigger pull.
and if i'm not mistaken the LAPD just recently approved glock for officer carry too! only being decades behind most other major metro police agencies.
QUOTE: TROLL crossing... Be alert. 700 rounds (14 boxes) x 12 FTF's per box = 168 failures. My experience is:
HS2000 in 9mm: 500 rounds (one case) in one day with two magazines... ZERO failulres of any kind.
XD40: 1000 rounds of reloads, lead 180gr Truncated Cone bullets, one magazine, ZERO failures of any kind.
XD45: 250 rounds (split a case with a friend), two magazines, ZERO failures. He also had ZERO failures with his XD45.
In over 10 years of probably 10-12 hours a week at the range watching scores of XD users churn through tens of thousands of cartridges, I can recall maybe a handful of misfires, most of which I'd contribute to reloads.
And I'm supposed to believe your story, why? Extraordinary stories require extraordinary proof. Show me the videos.
I don't like the XD. Makes me think too much as I'm always afraid I'm not hitting the grip safety enough. I shoot them because I buy used guns and sell them... like marrying somebody and not having sex with them... BUT... I'm callin TROLL on the OP. Sorry.
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don't much care if you believe my story, don't owe you any proof either, we're not in court here!
do you take a video camera everywhere in case you need proof of something? lmao
just trying to help people out with my experience, so maybe they can avoid loosing $200 trading in a bad gun for a good one. (traded it for a glock 21sf-much better)
HS2000 in 9mm: 500 rounds (one case) in one day with two magazines... ZERO failulres of any kind.
XD40: 1000 rounds of reloads, lead 180gr Truncated Cone bullets, one magazine, ZERO failures of any kind.
XD45: 250 rounds (split a case with a friend), two magazines, ZERO failures. He also had ZERO failures with his XD45.
In over 10 years of probably 10-12 hours a week at the range watching scores of XD users churn through tens of thousands of cartridges, I can recall maybe a handful of misfires, most of which I'd contribute to reloads.
And I'm supposed to believe your story, why? Extraordinary stories require extraordinary proof. Show me the videos.
I don't like the XD. Makes me think too much as I'm always afraid I'm not hitting the grip safety enough. I shoot them because I buy used guns and sell them... like marrying somebody and not having sex with them... BUT... I'm callin TROLL on the OP. Sorry.
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don't much care if you believe my story, don't owe you any proof either, we're not in court here!
do you take a video camera everywhere in case you need proof of something? lmao
just trying to help people out with my experience, so maybe they can avoid loosing $200 trading in a bad gun for a good one. (traded it for a glock 21sf-much better)
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ljnowell
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Everyone lets out a bad gun.
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Yep. Still a troll. If he had a gun that bad, where's the story about Springfield Armory's service? If the OP wasn't trolling, why this statement:
Hate Thread, Troll, whatever. What did Springfield Armory do after your gun exploded, killed the Dinosaurs, and started global warming, HMMMMM?
HMMMMMMmmmmm?
Quote:
Everyone lets out a bad gun.
Yep. Still a troll. If he had a gun that bad, where's the story about Springfield Armory's service? If the OP wasn't trolling, why this statement:
Quote:
lets hear some more xd horror stories
Hate Thread, Troll, whatever. What did Springfield Armory do after your gun exploded, killed the Dinosaurs, and started global warming, HMMMMM?
obviously you don't have anything intelligent to add to this friendly discussion, so you copy and paste a weird picture (probably a family photo)
my gun didn't explode either-might wanna get your facts right, bro
springfield armory told me to send in my gun, and i would get it back in 6 weeks-
not cool, considering my purchase came with 3 months of free range time at the gun shop i bought it from.
and i asked the springfield rep on the phone, if they didn't fix the probs the first time, would it still be six weeks again if i had to send it in a second time? the rep said yes.
springer should take some customer service lessons from smith and wesson-they have your gun back to you in 1 to 2 weeks
Everyone lets out a bad gun.
Yep. Still a troll. If he had a gun that bad, where's the story about Springfield Armory's service? If the OP wasn't trolling, why this statement:
Quote:
lets hear some more xd horror stories
Hate Thread, Troll, whatever. What did Springfield Armory do after your gun exploded, killed the Dinosaurs, and started global warming, HMMMMM?
obviously you don't have anything intelligent to add to this friendly discussion, so you copy and paste a weird picture (probably a family photo)
my gun didn't explode either-might wanna get your facts right, bro
springfield armory told me to send in my gun, and i would get it back in 6 weeks-
not cool, considering my purchase came with 3 months of free range time at the gun shop i bought it from.
and i asked the springfield rep on the phone, if they didn't fix the probs the first time, would it still be six weeks again if i had to send it in a second time? the rep said yes.
springer should take some customer service lessons from smith and wesson-they have your gun back to you in 1 to 2 weeks
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Seven For Sure
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I have Glocks and one M&P. Don't care for the XD either but never felt the need to start a thread. Thanks for letting me post my opinion though!
Mr.510
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I know I shouldn't feed this troll.... but I just can't help myself. 
This part is my opinion only:
Most police departments are not issuing XDs because Springfield will not sell parts, even to P.D. armorers. My personal opinion is that the other major reason is that Springfield is not willing to adopt the "Glock Marketing Model" of selling guns to P.D.s (and buying their "trade-ins") at a net loss in order to brainwash the Kool-Aid drinkers into thinking they are superior weapons because they see cop's carrying them. (BTW: Brilliant strategy Gaston!)
This is my experience:
I have an XD45 Compact. It fits my hands well and I shoot it very well. I've put more than 6,000 rounds through it without a single failure to function. I've run it with zero lube and I carry it with one drop of oil lubing the entire weapon. (I work/carry in an abrasive environment and oil picks up and carries abrasives.) I've put 400 rounds of Magtech through it in a hour. I've put 1,000 rounds of dirty, weak, junk HSM reloads through it without cleaning it. I have used: Magtech, Blazer, Blazer Brass, Remington, Wolf, Wolf Gold, American Eagle, Federal, Winchester White Box, Speer, HSM, and a few others I can't remember at the moment. It eats anything and cannot be limp-wristed into malfunctioning even with weak ammo. It has never failed. Period. To say that I am satisfied with this weapon would be the understatement of the century.
This is my guess:
You never owned an XD. :banghead:
This is what I think:
If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed. These guns have a virtually unlimited lifetime warranty! They don't even care if you are the original owner. SA has a reputation for fixing darned near anything for free, even some guns that have KB'd from overpowered hand loads. If you KB one through your own stupidity and toast the frame they'll re-frame it with your original serial number for something like $100. The worst KB'd XD I ever saw pics of was fixed by SA for less than $200. It was friggin' junk and came back as a virtually brand-new gun.
This is my advice:
If you have problems with a gun (or any other product for that matter) give the manufacturer a chance to make it right. 99% of the time they will do so. Oh, and if you're going to be a troll, don't be such an obvious one. I'm amazed this thread isn't locked yet....
This part is my opinion only:
Most police departments are not issuing XDs because Springfield will not sell parts, even to P.D. armorers. My personal opinion is that the other major reason is that Springfield is not willing to adopt the "Glock Marketing Model" of selling guns to P.D.s (and buying their "trade-ins") at a net loss in order to brainwash the Kool-Aid drinkers into thinking they are superior weapons because they see cop's carrying them. (BTW: Brilliant strategy Gaston!)
This is my experience:
I have an XD45 Compact. It fits my hands well and I shoot it very well. I've put more than 6,000 rounds through it without a single failure to function. I've run it with zero lube and I carry it with one drop of oil lubing the entire weapon. (I work/carry in an abrasive environment and oil picks up and carries abrasives.) I've put 400 rounds of Magtech through it in a hour. I've put 1,000 rounds of dirty, weak, junk HSM reloads through it without cleaning it. I have used: Magtech, Blazer, Blazer Brass, Remington, Wolf, Wolf Gold, American Eagle, Federal, Winchester White Box, Speer, HSM, and a few others I can't remember at the moment. It eats anything and cannot be limp-wristed into malfunctioning even with weak ammo. It has never failed. Period. To say that I am satisfied with this weapon would be the understatement of the century.
This is my guess:
You never owned an XD. :banghead:
This is what I think:
If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed. These guns have a virtually unlimited lifetime warranty! They don't even care if you are the original owner. SA has a reputation for fixing darned near anything for free, even some guns that have KB'd from overpowered hand loads. If you KB one through your own stupidity and toast the frame they'll re-frame it with your original serial number for something like $100. The worst KB'd XD I ever saw pics of was fixed by SA for less than $200. It was friggin' junk and came back as a virtually brand-new gun.
This is my advice:
If you have problems with a gun (or any other product for that matter) give the manufacturer a chance to make it right. 99% of the time they will do so. Oh, and if you're going to be a troll, don't be such an obvious one. I'm amazed this thread isn't locked yet....
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I know I shouldn't feed this troll.... but I just can't help myself.
This part is my opinion only:
Most police departments are not issuing XDs because Springfield will not sell parts, even to P.D. armorers. My personal opinion is that the other major reason is that Springfield is not willing to adopt the "Glock Marketing Model" of selling guns to P.D.s (and buying their "trade-ins") at a net loss in order to brainwash the Kool-Aid drinkers into thinking they are superior weapons because they see cop's carrying them. (BTW: Brilliant strategy Gaston!)
This is my experience:
I have an XD45 Compact. It fits my hands well and I shoot it very well. I've put more than 6,000 rounds through it without a single failure to function. I've run it with zero lube and I carry it with one drop of oil lubing the entire weapon. (I work/carry in an abrasive environment and oil picks up and carries abrasives.) I've put 400 rounds of Magtech through it in a hour. I've put 1,000 rounds of dirty, weak, junk HSM reloads through it without cleaning it. I have used: Magtech, Blazer, Blazer Brass, Remington, Wolf, Wolf Gold, American Eagle, Federal, Winchester White Box, Speer, HSM, and a few others I can't remember at the moment. It eats anything and cannot be limp-wristed into malfunctioning even with weak ammo. It has never failed. Period. To say that I am satisfied with this weapon would be the understatement of the century.
This is my guess:
You never owned an XD.
This is what I think:
If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed. These guns have a virtually unlimited lifetime warranty! They don't even care if you are the original owner. SA has a reputation for fixing darned near anything for free, even some guns that have KB'd from overpowered hand loads. If you KB one through your own stupidity and toast the frame they'll re-frame it with your original serial number for something like $100. The worst KB'd XD I ever saw pics of was fixed by SA for less than $200. It was friggin' junk and came back as a virtually brand-new gun.
This is my advice:
If you have problems with a gun (or any other product for that matter) give the manufacturer a chance to make it right. 99% of the time they will do so. Oh, and if you're going to be a troll, don't be such an obvious one. I'm amazed this thread isn't locked yet....
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your guess would be wrong, i unfortunately owned and lost $200 selling a bad xd 45.
and you're obviously not smart enough to understand my previous thread, where i stated exactly WHY i didn't send it back to springer.
nice to hear you have a good xd, mine was a crapper.
again, not sure why a gun company would not want to make more profit selling to law enforcement, you're theory on that makes little sense
oh, and if your not very bright, you shouldn't try to compensate with long winded commentary that is uninformed and ignorant
this is my advice-don't post replies that try to insult people for no reason and also don't add anything intelligent to the topic at hand (and my guess is that it wouldn't take much to amaze you either)
Join Date: 12-29-07
Location: Belfair Washington
Posts: 112
I know I shouldn't feed this troll.... but I just can't help myself.
This part is my opinion only:
Most police departments are not issuing XDs because Springfield will not sell parts, even to P.D. armorers. My personal opinion is that the other major reason is that Springfield is not willing to adopt the "Glock Marketing Model" of selling guns to P.D.s (and buying their "trade-ins") at a net loss in order to brainwash the Kool-Aid drinkers into thinking they are superior weapons because they see cop's carrying them. (BTW: Brilliant strategy Gaston!)
This is my experience:
I have an XD45 Compact. It fits my hands well and I shoot it very well. I've put more than 6,000 rounds through it without a single failure to function. I've run it with zero lube and I carry it with one drop of oil lubing the entire weapon. (I work/carry in an abrasive environment and oil picks up and carries abrasives.) I've put 400 rounds of Magtech through it in a hour. I've put 1,000 rounds of dirty, weak, junk HSM reloads through it without cleaning it. I have used: Magtech, Blazer, Blazer Brass, Remington, Wolf, Wolf Gold, American Eagle, Federal, Winchester White Box, Speer, HSM, and a few others I can't remember at the moment. It eats anything and cannot be limp-wristed into malfunctioning even with weak ammo. It has never failed. Period. To say that I am satisfied with this weapon would be the understatement of the century.
This is my guess:
You never owned an XD.
This is what I think:
If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed. These guns have a virtually unlimited lifetime warranty! They don't even care if you are the original owner. SA has a reputation for fixing darned near anything for free, even some guns that have KB'd from overpowered hand loads. If you KB one through your own stupidity and toast the frame they'll re-frame it with your original serial number for something like $100. The worst KB'd XD I ever saw pics of was fixed by SA for less than $200. It was friggin' junk and came back as a virtually brand-new gun.
This is my advice:
If you have problems with a gun (or any other product for that matter) give the manufacturer a chance to make it right. 99% of the time they will do so. Oh, and if you're going to be a troll, don't be such an obvious one. I'm amazed this thread isn't locked yet....
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UNIMOG: Helping Jeeps look stupid since 1947.
your guess would be wrong, i unfortunately owned and lost $200 selling a bad xd 45.
and you're obviously not smart enough to understand my previous thread, where i stated exactly WHY i didn't send it back to springer.
nice to hear you have a good xd, mine was a crapper.
again, not sure why a gun company would not want to make more profit selling to law enforcement, you're theory on that makes little sense
oh, and if your not very bright, you shouldn't try to compensate with long winded commentary that is uninformed and ignorant
this is my advice-don't post replies that try to insult people for no reason and also don't add anything intelligent to the topic at hand (and my guess is that it wouldn't take much to amaze you either)
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Rob96
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Easton PD in Easton, PA went with the XD45.
Badger Arms
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... and told the person you sold it to, what? That the gun jammed one quarter of the time?
sparkyguy66
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I owned an XD-40. Worst gun I ever owned! WAY too top-heavy, probably the most unbalanced gun I've ever shot, definitely the highest priced inaccurate gun I've ever shot. The finish was dull, and overall the gun looked like the designer was trying too hard to make it look like a Glock at same time make different. Too busy with all the safeties, like I gotta have a firing procedure written on my forearm to get to function.(not really but sounded good).
When I finally decided to dump the POS, with under 600rnds through it, the trigger spring broke!:banghead::banghead:
Most of these ppl calling "troll" are owners of XD's with their nose out of joint by OP calling their prized POS what they are. Whenever I see one of them trying to persuade a potential buyer to purchase one, I cringe.
When I finally decided to dump the POS, with under 600rnds through it, the trigger spring broke!:banghead::banghead:
Most of these ppl calling "troll" are owners of XD's with their nose out of joint by OP calling their prized POS what they are. Whenever I see one of them trying to persuade a potential buyer to purchase one, I cringe.
Badger Arms
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You had a gun that jammed every fourth shot that you bought at a gun shop that gave you free range time... I suppose you shot the gun at their range... and you NEVER mentioned your problems to them? Thought maybe they'd send the gun back to SPR for you? Also, you're considering a 1911 from SPR after you said their service sucks? Not too hard to figure out what's going on here.
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You had a gun that jammed every fourth shot that you bought at a gun shop that gave you free range time... I suppose you shot the gun at their range... and you NEVER mentioned your problems to them? Thought maybe they'd send the gun back to SPR for you? Also, you're considering a 1911 from SPR after you said their service sucks? Not too hard to figure out what's going on here
of course i mentioned it to the gunshop, what difference does that make? still takes 6 weeks to get it back from springer! and i still only have 3 months free range time, what your point? yep looking for a champion operator, and never said their customer serv sux, just that it takes way too long, might wanna actually READ my posts
You had a gun that jammed every fourth shot that you bought at a gun shop that gave you free range time... I suppose you shot the gun at their range... and you NEVER mentioned your problems to them? Thought maybe they'd send the gun back to SPR for you? Also, you're considering a 1911 from SPR after you said their service sucks? Not too hard to figure out what's going on here
of course i mentioned it to the gunshop, what difference does that make? still takes 6 weeks to get it back from springer! and i still only have 3 months free range time, what your point? yep looking for a champion operator, and never said their customer serv sux, just that it takes way too long, might wanna actually READ my posts
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sparkyguy66
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I owned an XD-40. Worst gun I ever owned! WAY too top-heavy, probably the most unbalanced gun I've ever shot, definitely the highest priced inaccurate gun I've ever shot. The finish was dull, and overall the gun looked like the designer was trying too hard to make it look like a Glock at same time make different. Too busy with all the safeties, like I gotta have a firing procedure written on my forearm to get to function.(not really but sounded good).
When I finally decided to dump the POS, with under 600rnds through it, the trigger spring broke!
Most of these ppl calling "troll" are owners of XD's with their nose out of joint by OP calling their prized POS what they are. Whenever I see one of them trying to persuade a potential buyer to purchase one, I cringe.
this is the best post yet! we need to hear more of these, and i think you're 100% right about these people using the word troll, they have no clue what a pos the xd's are! they think because it comes with a cheap holster and has the springer name on it, it's a good deal lol
i cringe too when i see someone purchasing another xd, no where near the quality of the glock
springer does make some nice 1911's though (the ones that aren't made in brazil, that is)
sparkyguy66
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I owned an XD-40. Worst gun I ever owned! WAY too top-heavy, probably the most unbalanced gun I've ever shot, definitely the highest priced inaccurate gun I've ever shot. The finish was dull, and overall the gun looked like the designer was trying too hard to make it look like a Glock at same time make different. Too busy with all the safeties, like I gotta have a firing procedure written on my forearm to get to function.(not really but sounded good).
When I finally decided to dump the POS, with under 600rnds through it, the trigger spring broke!
Most of these ppl calling "troll" are owners of XD's with their nose out of joint by OP calling their prized POS what they are. Whenever I see one of them trying to persuade a potential buyer to purchase one, I cringe.
this is the best post yet! we need to hear more of these, and i think you're 100% right about these people using the word troll, they have no clue what a pos the xd's are! they think because it comes with a cheap holster and has the springer name on it, it's a good deal lol
i cringe too when i see someone purchasing another xd, no where near the quality of the glock
springer does make some nice 1911's though (the ones that aren't made in brazil, that is)
Badger Arms
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No, don't really want to read any more of your posts. You seem to hand out insults well
but when somebody calls you a troll for, well, for trolling then you get all defensive. Thread lock in "T-minus 10, 9, 8..."
S&WMP45 said:
but when somebody calls you a troll for, well, for trolling then you get all defensive. Thread lock in "T-minus 10, 9, 8..."
originally posted by Badger Amrs:
QUOTE:If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed.:
i only respond in kind, bro this one's from your post, remember?
what do you think happens when YOU insult someone first? wise up, man
QUOTE:If you actually did have one and it really did have terrible FTF problems you were simply not smart enough to send it back to SA to have it fixed.:
i only respond in kind, bro this one's from your post, remember?
what do you think happens when YOU insult someone first? wise up, man
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