Why NOT a 9mm Ruger?

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Why not get a 9mm Ruger? Because a CZ-75B is equal to or better than any Ruger semi-auto in ALL respets and costs the same amount of money.

Rugers have, in no particular order: worse ergonomics, worse safety placement, worse triggers out of the box, worse accuracy, worse looks, stinkier sights and are more crudely fitted & finished than a CZ-75B. Both are equally reliable, on average.

I've owned the CZ and shot it side-by-side with the Ruger. No contest. Even the Ruger owner agreed. :D

The Ruger isn't a bad gun. It is reliable and rugged, after all. You can just do better for the money by getting a CZ. It ain't even close IMHO.
 
My 2 cents: I've owned a Ruger 89 and foolishly got rid of it years ago, mostly because it was boringly reliable, never a bobble. I now have a KP-95 and consider it to be Ruger's best auto. Also boringly reliable, but I won't get rid of this one. The big problem with Rugers is their ergonomics and "feel" compared with other 9mmPs. While it isn't a SIG 228, a Glock 17 or a Hi-power (my favorite nines) it is probably as reliable as they are and that should be your first criterion. Would love to do a study with 100 examples of each of the major 9mmP service pistols put through their paces in standardized tests with at least 50,000 rounds through each. I bet that the Ruger would hold its own.

When the topic of Ruger autos comes up CZ lovers chime in claiming that CZs are better values for the same amount of money. While the "feel" of the CZ is better I don't like the trigger with its stacking just before release and I don't think they are as reliable. Had too many feeding problems with mine. Ok for a range gun, maybe.
 
I've own(ed) both--much prefer the CZ 75BD

IMHO, I found the CZ to be a better 9mm pistol than any other 9mm I had shot (including USPs, Rugers, S&W and Glock). The great price just made it an easy buy. My CZ gets shot at every range trip--very fun, accurate, comfortable and eats all the ammo I can give it perfectly. My P-89 was a good pistol with near perfect reliability, but it seemed clunky, uncomfortable and with a relatively poor trigger in comparison. Good luck!
 
P95 - Compare to Glock 17

The Ruger P95 compares very favorably to guns it should be compared to. It's not the best gun for concealed carry but neither is the Glock 17 - the Glock gun it most closely approximates.

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but see the attached picture and tell me which gun is the ugliest and which is the best looking? Those euro-guns look like they were designed by committee, whereas the Ruger is sleek and functional.

Gun-Tests did a test a few years back and picked the P95 over the Glock 17, a Sig, an HK and a CZ: http://www.gun-tests.com/pub/11_8/features/4507-1.html

The Ruger is just as accurate as the Glock, much more affordable, VERY reliable and made in the good ol'USA. The Glock is slightly lighter but is longer and has a grip like a brick. The widths and heights are similar.

I'd guess the Glock is more popular due to it's wide acceptance by law enforcement. Many folks also prefer the Glock trigger but the longer-pull of the Ruger is safer.

Personally I chose the KP95DAO -- it offers revolver-like simplicity of operation and reliability. Yet there are affordable after-market 15 and even 17-round magazines available for it.

IMHO
Good luck!
 
"Many folks also prefer the Glock trigger but the longer-pull of the Ruger is safer."

Keep in mind that the long and heavy trigger on the Ruger only applies to the first shot just like all other double action autos. After the first shot, the hammer is cocked and you get a much nicer trigger pull. With the Glock, the trigger stays the same all the time, which is not a bad thing at all. I don't know much about the CZ75 but I do know that you can get it in a single action variant, which appeals to me. If you haven't done a lot of auto pistol shooting in the past, this probably doesn't matter. But before I ever bought a double action auto I had fired tens of thousands of round through a 1911. I had a heck of a time getting used to the double action. Often I would fire the second shot into the ground. Of course after shooting a double action for awhile, I got used to it. But, if you own other single action handguns and are considering a 9mm, it might make very good sense to buy a single action 9mm also. I have heard nothing but good things about the CZ75. The other good one (which is my choice) is the Browning Hi-Power.
 
Forgot too mention that when I sent it back to the factory I talked to a lady in the repair and asked how many rounds I should be able to run through it before a rebuild was needed. She said it would be on the far side of 300,000. Also said it loved a diet of +p ammo. I wont argue about the +p.
Gerald
 
Thank you...

to all of you folks who responded to my question. I still havn't decided which way to go, but you've sure given me plenty to think about.
 
Not to quibble overmuch, but that CZ 100 the Ruger beat in Gun Tests is not nearly the pistol that the CZ 75/85 is.
 
444

444, Sorry I wasn't very clear in my post but I meant the long trigger pull of the DAO P95 is safer. Very much like a revolver.
 
Ruger vs. CZ

I've said it before. I'll say it again. I bought a CZ85 some years ago, and kept it for about a month. A friend let me shoot his Ruger, and I promptly sold the CZ and bought a Ruger.

Right now my favorites are my Rugers - P95, .22/45, and P94 (in .40 S&W), in that order. One thing though, I've put Hogue wrap-around grips on them. That makes a BIG difference in the way they feel.

I think most people who bash the Rugers base their feelings on the P89 thru P91. Yes, they're big and bulky and good shooters. But starting with the P93, and on, Rugers have a better look and feel to them IMHO.

Glocks don't feel good to me. But I confess - there's a gun show tomorrow, and I'm going to take a long look at a Springfield XD!
 
I had the P95 for several y ears, and it provided good service. I never would have rid myself of it if i hadn't tried the CZ-75. I have found the CZ-75 to be more accurate, more balanced in my hand, more ergonomically pleasing, and just as reliable.

I like the fact that I can carry it in SA mode. It's somewhat slimmer, so IWB carry is easier. And, it looks much better.
 
Had a P95 for several years, shot the heck out of it. It digested anything I fed it, any failures were not the fault of the gun.
Though I thought it was a pretty nice piece, it didn't bother me all that much to trade it off when I got the need a new gun bug about a year ago.
 
Rugers are certainly a good option. I, myself, like the P95. I don't have one (yet), but I wouldn't have second thoughts about relying on one for my life. They are good solid guns that will likely stand up to more shooting than you can do. About the only real drawback is that they are a bit too big, but I don't think that's insurmountable. Trigger seems to be a bit less than ideal, but you can adjust to it (or have it adjusted to you, your preference). Standard capacity mags are all over the place. These autos strike me as excellent overall values.
 
Rugers are fine handguns. I never had any malfunctions with the 9mm I used to have and with the P-90 I own. Had a CZ and would experience malfunctions after firing about 75 rounds, and it happened with all of the factory mags I had and different ammo. True there aren't a lot of police agencies who issue Rugers, but who cares. It all depends on what works for you. No need to feel ashamed becaue you own a Ruger. Last March I actually went into a shop to buy a Sig P220 for my birthday, I walked out with my P-90. No regrets.:D
 
Thank you again....

to all of you who responded to my questions. I'm starting to think that the Ruger looks like a good option. I am a little amused by the concept of "entry level" pistol, though. Would that be for folks who are just learning the art of personal combat and are not yet able to handle REAL defensive weaponry. Like some day they may be able to graduate to a more lethal 9mm? Or perhaps it comes with optional training wheels.
 
I have been wondering the same thing. I shoot an entry level Ruger auto. I got my first Ruger auto (a .22LR Mk. I) about 32 years ago and have been shooting them ever since. Since that time I have probably averaged a few hundred rounds a month with a handgun of some type. I can't wait until I grow into an intermedate level pistol. I don't think I have enough years left for an advanced level pistol.
There was a guy on The Firing Line who won his divison at the IDPA nationals using a Ruger P89 and his son won his division using a Ruger P89. Think what they could do with an intermediate level gun.
Masad Ayoob (sp ?) carries a Ruger auto on duty last I heard. He has won his share of shooting championships, owns and teaches at The Lethel Force Institute, and carries a gun on a daily basis as a police officer and I believe his department's firearms instructor. Imagine what will happen when he does away with his entry level gun !!!!!
 
Ruger P95

The price is right. The gun will shoot every bit as well and as long if not longer then guns costing 3 to 4 times as much. Plus The 15 round mags are cheap, unlike the H&K or Glock
 
The P95 DC in a great gun.

I really like mine it's affordable, reliable and I found 15 round mags at the gun show for $13, can't beat that.
 
I haven't shot a CZ, so will provide no commentary regarding that make.

I have a Ruger P95DC and the .45 version, the P97DC. They're just great. As I have reported many times before, I have NEVER had a FTF or FTE in the P95 and it's had about 1500-2000 rounds through it. I had 2 or 3 FTFs in the P97 in the first 100 rounds I shot in it, then NEVER another and it's had about 750 rounds through it.

The major drawback is that the Rugers are a little chunky, although the .45 is skinnier than the 9mm due to the single stack mag. The other drawback is because it's a Ruger, it's chunky and it doesn't have a fancy European name or heritage, some shooters look down their noses at them. They're making a big mistake when they do that.

I recently bought a Sig P225 pistol which was formerly owned by the Swiss Federal police. I received much interesting input about it before I picked it up. I shot it for the first time about a month ago. It's a nice pistol with good accuracy. Mine had difficulty feeding 115 grain W-W white box JHPs consistently. I also brought my Ruger to the range. The Ruger fed (and always has) any 9mm round I gave it, from el cheapo 115 grain FMJ through W-W 147 +P+ law enforcement only ammo and its trigger pull was better than that used Sig.

Am I saying the Ruger is better than the Sig? No, but I am saying that the Ruger is a damn fine pistol and right now, I'll reach for it rather than the Sig until I get the Sig's bugs worked out-then we'll see.

And one other thing-I don't know what someone means when they refer to a "beginner's" gun, but whatever that means, I've owned and shot handguns extensively for the last 20 years and I didn't buy the P95DC until about three years ago. The Rugers are not "beginner's" guns, any more than any other gun. They do what they're supposed to do and they do it VERY well indeed. Count me a Ruger autopistol fan.

Bob
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I have owned a P89 and shot P94s and I will say I will never own another Ruger 9mm, though I probably will own a .45acp P90.

One of my friends had a P90 that was incredibly accurate (for the price the gun had no business being that accurate), reliable, indestructable, and inexpensive. I actually kinda like the looks of the P90 and P89. However, they are kind of crude and don't feel to me to be very "nice".

His gun was a good enough value that after some looking I decided upon a P89 as my first auto and second handgun. I really wanted the P90 but didn't want exactly what my friend had and as an only auto the cost savings of shooting 9mm ammo made the P89 more attractive as well.

Well, it was 100% reliable for me (out of about 2K rounds) and did seem indestructable. However, it inspired absolutely no pride of ownership. Worse, it wasn't very accurate for me and being a new shooter at the time there was no excuse for me to be more accurate than the gun (though it could just have been that it wasn't a good ergonomic match and in other hands it would be accurate- though I doubt it since I was accurate w/ the dimensionally identical P90). I was accurate w/ friends guns and with rentals (well, more accurate than w/ the P89 anyway) so it wasn't just me. Am I willing to grant that I may have just had a bad one- yes and no. I've heard from many others that the P89 isn't particularly accurate. However, I may have simply had too high expectations because of the P90.

If you are set on a Ruger 9mm I'd suggest the P95 because it is supposed to be more accurate.

For me, I'm one of the voices that would suggest a CZ. Mine is almost 100% reliable, and most people seem to have similar experiences. However, I would say the Ruger is somewhat more reliable- I have heard of lemon CZs (not many) but never a lemon Ruger 9mm, plus I've had a very small number of bobbles w/ my CZ and I had NONE w/ the Ruger. Where the CZ really shines is everywhere else. It is amazingly accurate, the ergonomics are such that it fits almost everyone's hand well, the fit and finish is great, and it just feels like a quality gun. I loved mine so much that I got a CZ 40B a few months later and now a year later I am considering another 75/85 variant, a 97 and/or a 100 before the supply of CZs dry up in MD (they don't have the MD required built-in lock so any made after Jan 1, 2003 can't be sold here).

Other good budget 9mms to look at as well:
-A Hi Power clone. These guns have great ergonomics and are a classic design. The FEG and FM clones have good reps and are both quite inexpensive (especially the FEG will be significantly less than a CZ or a Ruger).
-A Taurus PT 92 or PT 911. The metal framed Taurus autos are very high quality guns. The PT 92 is a little more than a Ruger however, though the PT 911 will be about the same.
-A S&W 908 or 910. The value series S&Ws are about as good as the regular guns but cost about the same as Ruger.
-A used SIG, Glock or S&W.
 
I suppose that's true, considering how many of Ruger's firearms are designed and marketed for law enforcement and the military. I can't tell you how many Ruger automatics, GP100s and Redhawks I've seen in police holsters, not to mention all those single action Blackhawks and Vaqueros.

And of course, let's not forget that most fearsome weapon, intended only for the hands of the military and law enforcement-the Ruger Mark II .22 pistol.

Yep, no doubt about it. Ruger doesn't care about t"private citizen shooters" at all.

:rolleyes:

Bob
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I agree...

that the 10 round limit on magazine capacity is one of the more absurd pieces of anti-gun owner legislation ever passed in this country, and damn any gun manufacturer who may have supported it against the wishes of the free citizenry of this great country. However, I also think it's important to remember how much we all gained from Bill Ruger and his company. I remember using Ruger products from the time I was quite young and never, ever questioned their reliability. I expected them to always work.....and they did. Despite any mistakes he may have made, Ruger gave a lot more to American shooters than he took....in my opinion.
 
Lets set the record straight: Bill Ruger did not call for 10 shot magazines, he called for a 15 round limit (probably to counter Glock's 17 rnd. mag.) . He latter recanted and made a $ 1 million donation to the NRA.
 
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