Why the "BUG" for CCW?
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vanilla_gorilla
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At least this thread hasn't gone the way of another BUG thread I participated in recently in which I was called a paranoid freak for favoring a BUG. 
Under normal circumstances, you wouldn't even need to carry a gun, much less a back up gun. So why bother to carry? My own experience leads me to believe that when things go bad, they get REALLY bad. I carry a spare mag and under most circumstances, a BUG. If you don't want to, that's fine too. Can't fault you for that. Personal choices are personal choices.
Clint Smith: "What do I have to be paranoid for? I'm the one with the gun!"
Under normal circumstances, you wouldn't even need to carry a gun, much less a back up gun. So why bother to carry? My own experience leads me to believe that when things go bad, they get REALLY bad. I carry a spare mag and under most circumstances, a BUG. If you don't want to, that's fine too. Can't fault you for that. Personal choices are personal choices.
Clint Smith: "What do I have to be paranoid for? I'm the one with the gun!"
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I don't currently do so as the guns/carry methods I use make carrying two guns a bit burdensome when combined with a reload, cell phone, wallet, keys and (sometimes) flashlight. I would have to make some adjustments. But is there any reason not to? These sound like some good reasons:
1. It's faster to draw a second gun than to reload, should you shoot the first one dry.
2. It's also faster than clearing a malfunction.
(Note: The above do present a problem in what to do with the first gun.)
3. With the extremely close distances found in many gunfights, you could be grappled and have your gun taken away, dropped, etc.
4. In a reverse role, suppose you feel threatened but the situation doesn't yet call for drawing your gun, which is an obvious and overt act and could be considered "brandishing." But you can unobtrusively slip your hand into a pants or coat pocket and already have your hand on a gun.
5. While not precisely on topic, you do need a replacement gun if you're in a shooting. The police are going to take it away from you and hold it until the investigation is complete and/or the case adjudicated.
I would consider three guns to be crossing over the line from prepared to paranoid.
1. It's faster to draw a second gun than to reload, should you shoot the first one dry.
2. It's also faster than clearing a malfunction.
(Note: The above do present a problem in what to do with the first gun.)
3. With the extremely close distances found in many gunfights, you could be grappled and have your gun taken away, dropped, etc.
4. In a reverse role, suppose you feel threatened but the situation doesn't yet call for drawing your gun, which is an obvious and overt act and could be considered "brandishing." But you can unobtrusively slip your hand into a pants or coat pocket and already have your hand on a gun.
5. While not precisely on topic, you do need a replacement gun if you're in a shooting. The police are going to take it away from you and hold it until the investigation is complete and/or the case adjudicated.
I would consider three guns to be crossing over the line from prepared to paranoid.
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Not to bring things too far off topic here, but would there be any possible legal ramifications to carrying 2 or even 3 guns? I know it is mostly up to the DA to decide how to handle the case, but I can envision a scenario where the CCW'er is painted as paranoid or looking for trouble because one gun isn't enough. I don't CCW, but if I did so, I would carry ONE gun. I dislike having bulky objects in my pocket; it's bad enough just with my phone, keys and wallet, so it's hard to imagine putting a gun into the mix, let alone two. It's easy to find small pocket guns, but if you have one of those, whats the point of having one on your back? It seems to me that unless one is planning to go John Woo style with both guns at once, one of those guns is going to be useless weight.
The number of situations where A) a person has the ability/opportunity to draw against the BG, B) Is forced to fire the weapon, C) Where some malfunction or other circumstance occurs that disables the primary weapon and D) The threat still exists after this circumstance and E) There is time/ability to deploy the BUG. The probability of this happening to the average civilian is probably in the hundredths of a percent, if not lower, and if you are thinking that things are going to be that bad, why are you not wearing a vest? That's far more likely to be of use than another gun. Buy a good reliable weapon for carry, practice with it, and keep it where you can get at it.
The number of situations where A) a person has the ability/opportunity to draw against the BG, B) Is forced to fire the weapon, C) Where some malfunction or other circumstance occurs that disables the primary weapon and D) The threat still exists after this circumstance and E) There is time/ability to deploy the BUG. The probability of this happening to the average civilian is probably in the hundredths of a percent, if not lower, and if you are thinking that things are going to be that bad, why are you not wearing a vest? That's far more likely to be of use than another gun. Buy a good reliable weapon for carry, practice with it, and keep it where you can get at it.
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CCW As A BUG-
Just in case-
Just in case-
Well I'm just a lowly "CIVILIAN", no badge or nothing.
I carry two guns, sometimes three. My justification.........I pay my taxes, and I don't like the idea of a "non-civilian" having more firearms than me.
When you pay my taxes, you can tell me how many guns I can carry.
I carry two guns, sometimes three. My justification.........I pay my taxes, and I don't like the idea of a "non-civilian" having more firearms than me.
When you pay my taxes, you can tell me how many guns I can carry.
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Primary CCW as a Glock 21, back up as a G23 and he's looking to purchase a .380acp or 9mm for ankle carry. This is the set-up my buddy is going with. He's very much of the belief if you need one gun, you might need two (or three). Yep, 3 handguns... and two knives. I still think his veiws will change within his first year of carry.
Thanks for the replies, folks. Again, I haven't the slightest problem with other carrying a BUG or 5 or 10... as long as they're law abiding, I simply don't care. However, after noticing my buddy's (current) preferences, I was simply wondering if other feel the same and why.
As for me, my K9 and Benchmade Stryker give me all the "warm 'n fuzzys" I need.
Thanks for the replies, folks. Again, I haven't the slightest problem with other carrying a BUG or 5 or 10... as long as they're law abiding, I simply don't care. However, after noticing my buddy's (current) preferences, I was simply wondering if other feel the same and why.
As for me, my K9 and Benchmade Stryker give me all the "warm 'n fuzzys" I need.
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MacPherson, the only real legal ramifications I can see (besides the "overzealous prosecutor", which certainly might happen) is that some states only permit the carrying of a single firearm using their CCW permit. So, if you carry two...you might get in trouble (if discovered, etc.).
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