Why the lack of love for the .40?

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Nothing at all wrong with the 40...I just like 45 better.
Yep. I like 1911's in 9MM for cheap shooting, and the EMP is a great 9MM platform, but a 3" 1911 is only slightly larger, and can chamber the .45. The .40 is a good round, but many guns that chamber it can chamber a .45 and the .40 is as costly to reload as the .45, so .45 it is. Softer shooting too. :)

(I do have an XD SC .40 and really like it)
 
I bought my .40 because it was a reasonably priced 1911, 16-rd mag capacity, and something different to shoot for a change. I love shooting my .45's, .44's and .357's, but once in a while its nice to eshoot something else for a change. It's a nice gun. I like it.
 
If there are folks like me, I've had a 9mm for 25 years...then I got a .45...why stop in between? I suspect .40 is most popular with new owners in the last few years. Today, my observation is that new guys are going 9mm.
 
I absolutely love .40. Can't stand 9mm. The bullet was meant for volume fire. It's a great round for things like sub-machine guns that can put out alot of lead fast, but for a handgun...if I'm in a situation where I might only get one shot off I want that shot to count.

.40 S&W was developed after the FBI decided they wanted something more powerful than 9mm but smaller than a full 10mm. More rounds in a magazine than .45 ACP, more power than a 9mm.

Granted I like .45 as well, but as a pistol round I just dislike 9mm.

Personal opinion, though.
 
I'm always going to own at least 1 Browning Hipower in 9mm and 1 1911 in .45, why do I need something in between? Had a .40 BHP, just didn't feel right. Or for you proportional analogy lovers:

9mm BHP is to .40 BHP as 2006 Jessica Simpson is to 2009 Jessica Simpson.
 
It's a great round....

But, IMO, it isn't fun to shoot. It's too snappy for what it is. 9mm, 10mm, .45 are far more fun to shoot.
 
hmmm.....guess ah'm the exception to the rule - my primary carry is a .45, BUG Colt Mustang. When the .45 is a tad large, I go for one of my .40's (yeah....ah've got more than one....or two) :D I own ONE 9 mm - it's one a friend was carrying when he was murdered years back.
IMO - and guys, please don't give me grief over this, it's only one guys' opinion ;) - the 9 mm is "too" everything.....too small to take down a junkie/adrenalin-filled perp *now* (note that after the initial love-fest, VERY few LE agencies carry the 9 mm after reviewing results), too large to be used as CC in the summer in Texas. I liken it to the 38/357 debates that were waged years back in my Dad's hardware store (when you didn't have to have all the BS to sell guns) - it became pretty evident that the .38 was gonna lose every time. But then as now, there is nothing that makes it *wrong* for you (or others) to carry a 9mm - it's simply not what _I_ will carry.
 
No lack of love here, I've got two of'em, 40's.:) I find it pretty straightforward to reload, I like the way they shoot, I don't find the recoil objectionable, and the ballistics numbers on paper are very good. 9mm sized frames, only giving up a couple rounds to the 9mm and you're gaining several on the .45, what's not to like.:)
 
Zak Smith said:
10mm was conceived as an ideal pistol cartridge by Jeff Cooper, but it was later downsized for the reasons above - and that full-house 10mm was a "hand full" to shoot.
False.

I take it you are hinting towards the FBI 10mm issue. Let me set the record straight again.

1) The FBI never tested full power 10mm.

2) The FBI never issued full power 10mm.

3) The FBI stipulation for the new cartridge selection was that the recoil of the ammo/weapon combination could not recoil more than a standard GI 1911 using standard 230gr GI ball. The 10mm test ammo was handloaded by an FBI agent to meet those requirements for the test.

4) There is an account on the S&W forums by the FBI agent who was there. Read it.

5) The cancellation of the contract with S&W had nothing to do with the 10mm cartridge (in fact it's still used by the FBI today) nor the weight of the weapon. It had everything to do with politics. The agency was training their agents to prep the trigger, which went against the design of the system, and failures occurred. The FBI whined to S&W, S&W told them to get bent and the FBI canceled the contract. It was politics.
 
I have a co-worker who is a retired captain with our local police dept.He shot a pitbull once,it took 3 rounds from a 9mm before it dropped...give me my .40 please
 
I would love a .40 but it would have to be a S&W 3rd gen for me to even consider it, LOL. One of these days when I have gun money again.
 
As others have responded- .40 is fine, but when one has a couple, or several, pistols in .45ACP and 9mm and a stock of ammo, there is little motivation to add a new caliber.
 
Too much bark and bite in small guns for me. It is OK in a full size gun, but this is not sufficient reason for me to buy one when there are so many nice nines and .45s around.
 
mmm.....nope. The .40 offers significant ballistic advantages over the 9mm in my thinking. If possible, I carry a .45. If not, a .40. If not that, then my Colt Mustang.

If none of those work, then I bring a mentally-challenged friend over 6', 250 lbs with a 'tude. :D:D:D
 
It's a poorly conceived round that does nothing that 9mm JHPs don't already do, and .45ACP JHPs still offer more diameter, whether expansion occurs or not.

The .40S&W is still an on paper solution looking for a real world problem, just like the .357SIG and .45GAP.
 
I suspect, like many have stated here, that the lack of popularity is because it's an in-between round. I've had two .40s in the last couple of years and sold them. I like the energy of the .45. The .40 is close enough to the .45 that, if I was going down again, I'd probably go down to a 9mm.
 
Bottom line - it's personal preference. I've seen results of 45's against perps, 9mm against perps, and 40 against perps. For *me*, it's 45/40/380.

Run with what does it for ya. My biggest issue w/the 9 is the cartridge speed vs. weight, which tends to induce ricochets more readily, IMO. But, hey - it's ALL your choice!
 
.40 lover

I love the .40, I don't think the recoil is bad at all. I have a 9mm for CC, mainly because of more shots and less recoil in a small Kahr CW9. I like them both!
My father was a state trooper who carried a S&W 4006, he was being charged by a rottweiler which had already bitten him once. As it lunged toward him again he was able to draw and fire one shot. The rottie stopped, walked about 10 feet, laid down and died. Its a shame a beautiful animal had to die because of its irresponsible owner, but the .40 did its job on a very big opponent. My dad had all kinds of faith in the round after that incident.
 
9mm BHP is to .40 BHP as 2006 Jessica Simpson is to 2009 Jessica Simpson.

Well said. I bought a .40 SW BHP around 9 years ago when a major sporting goods franchise was closing all its stores. I got a great deal but thepistol has never functioned correctly. I am thinking of sending it off to Cylinder and Slide. I really wish I bought the 9mm instead.
 
I love the 40. It is a great round. I would argue that other than maybe Kahr, no one has made a gun for it. Really, putting it in a 45 ACP gun is too big for it. Putting it in a 9mm gun means that the 9mm was too big. I wish someone would make like a 7/8 th's scale 1911 type gun for it. Like a officer's length frame, commander length slide, and the whole thing narrower and smaller. I think this is what is hurting the caliber the most.

Also, Glock, the coolest TV gun of all continues to ruin the 40's rep with it's poorly designed barrel design. How can we blame the 40 for these pregnant cases? Glock should man up and correct their design. Don't reload is a line of crap. I can reload these for my XD, but how many reloads does sizing the buldge cost me in case life.

There is also the FBI story. . .Which summarized for the masses says. Uh some of our officers are too weak to handle the 10, so we made the 10 short and weak. That is BS. The 10 puts more damage after the bullet exits than is needed. Only in a war like situation where down range damage is less of a concern and possible barrier penetration does the 10 supercede the 40.

I like it's ability to throw a 135 gr - 155 gr slug over 1100 fps. This is an ideal CCW round. It's diameter is at a minimum, but still seems to get the job done with good hollow points.

The 10mm is a fine round with a strong trained operator, but is really too powerful for the masses. The 45 ACP is similar in that respect. I don't know if my times would show it, but I do feel a bit faster shot to shot with a 40 vs a 45. I can shoot a 9 fastest, but I need 3 rounds to be sure I'm getting the job done. . .No thanks.

The 40 reloads well. Has a wide selection of bullets. It is accurate in the right gun and shooter.

It's a keeper for me. When will the 40 ammo be offered for $10 a box!
 
I have love for the .40 S&W. :eek:

It's the caliber for my first handgun at the recommendation of a friend. I don't look down on the 9mm but - living in California - I appreciate the extra rounds I can get compared to it or the .45 ACP.
 
When I first entered LE work I thought the 'only' acceptable LE working calibers were .357 Magnum and .45 ACP. Before I entered LE work you couldn't pay me to own or shoot a 9mm pistol. The 9mm cylinder that came with my 3-screw Blackhawk .357 Magnum Convertible was never used.

It wasn't until I was required to carry an issued 9mm service weapon that my thinking started to change. I was also a bit slow to consider accepting the .40 S&W cartridge.

I waited until the .40 S&W had been in LE use for about 10 years before I decided to buy a pistol chambered in it. After having had the chance to see how well it had worked for a number of LE agencies, and seeing how my agency was considering adopting it at some point down the road, I decided it was probably about time to try a pistol in that caliber for myself.

Now, looking back on my LE career, having carried various issued weapons chambered in .357 Magnum, 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP ... I just can't get worked up much about the differences among the calibers (although being a revolver shooter I did appreciate the wheelguns). Even though I'm a long-time 1911 owner and shooter, I actually turned down an opportunity to carry an issued Colt when it was offered. I was simply more interested in a lighter weight, compact weapon because of my plainclothes assignment. If the same offer had been made earlier in my career during my younger years, though, I'd have no doubt jumped at it. ;)

Now, I just bought my 5th pistol chambered in .40 S&W. I actually own one more pistol chambered in .40 S&W than I do pistols chambered in 9mm ... and the number of pistols I own chambered in .45 ACP is now equaled by the combined number of those I own chambered in 9mm & .40 S&W. :scrutiny:

I wouldn't consider.40 S&W to be my 'favorite' when it comes to personally-owned calibers, but I do think it's proven itself to be a viable defensive caliber over the years since it's introduction. The increased recoil might not be for all owners & users, though. Then again, lots of revolver users back in the wheelgun days of LE weren't comfortable with the recoil and muzzle blast of the .357 Magnum.

FWIW, I can think of at least a couple of instances where a cop armed with a .40 S&W pistol didn't enjoy noticeably greater success with 'immediately stopping' an attacking pit bull any more quickly than other cops armed with other calibers in similar situations. Placement is still important, it seems.

I'm thinking that the smaller 9mm pistols and .38 Spl revolvers I own are still going to be my primary choices when it comes to retirement CCW weapons. My .45 ACP and .40 S&W pistols will likely remain secondary choices ... although if my new M&P 40c acquits itself as well as my full-size M&P 45 has done, it might find itself chosen more often than my other .40 S&W pistols, or even my .45 ACP pistols. It certainly has the ergonomics, balance and 'lively feel' in my hand that I find preferable. If it exhibits the same outstanding reliability and accuracy of my M&P 45, I'm thinking it just might result in my G27 being more or less retired to the safe.

Bottom line?

The .40 S&W is alive and doing very well in the LE field. When considered against the 9mm in LE service, the .40 S&W either has come to virtually equal the 9mm in service usage or has surpassed it as a choice of caliber. Talking to a couple of ammunition company LE field reps within the last few years certainly seems to indicate this trend.

The private owner preference consideration & choice is probably up for debate, especially depending on the area of the country being considered. Lots of folks express a dislike for the increased felt recoil and muzzle whip of many pistols chambered in .40 S&W.

There will likely continue to be passionate enthusiasts of different calibers ... and that's fine.

In my case it just means that I have pistols chambered in 3 center-fire calibers and revolvers chambered in 4 center-fire calibers ...
 
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