Why the Left hates Gun Shows

[JShirley]

jerkface, what exactly is your point? That thoughtlessly saying "Democrats are the problem" is somehow going to win converts from the people who vote Democrat for reasons completely unrelated to firearms?

 

[jerkface11]

Even the few pro gun dems in office are still part of an organization that has gun control in its platform. Nothing thoughtless about that. It's the truth.

 

[JShirley]

Again, explain how demonizing all Democrats will help us.

 

[jerkface11]

I didn't demonized anyone. I posted a plank from their platform.

 

[ThorinNNY]

Apparently some, perhaps most antis believe that gun shows exist for the sole purpose of allowing people who cannot pass background check to bypass the NCIS system.I believe that`s the mythical gunshow loophole they keep referring to.
Maybe they are paranoid, or maybe they just like belittling and harassing people who have different beliefs. It`s very hard, maybe impossible to convince a fanatic they have their facts wrong.
Kids that grew up in Nazi Germany were indoctrinated in the belief that Adolf Hitler loved the children. Yep ole Adolf loved the kids so much that he sent 10,11,12 year olds out to fight battle hardened Soviet troops in Berlin,1945. Guess who won that one? It sure wasn`t the kids, but I `m not aware of any statistics on how many child soldiers died!
Yet I once heard somone who lived through that time that things were wonderful during Hitler`s 12 year reign. There was law the was order , national pride had been restored and a brand new Volkswagen was only 1,500 marks.But then they were sold out by subversive elements and lost to the allies.

 

[pillage]

I find that in general, those that scream the loudest about the gun show loopholes, actually know jack about what goes on there. These are the same people that scream evil black assault weapon, yet know absolutely nothing about legal firearm use, or ownership. They form their views by watching to much tv, because if it is on tv it has to be true. They also fall into the category of busy bodies, who cannot abide by anyone else being happy without their hands on direction. Truly anti's can come in all political persuasions, right, left and center.

 

[-v-]

Jerkface11: And, if we do things correctly to advance the 2A, that number of Pro-2A Democrats will continue to grow.

Lets look at the flip side, at our "friend" the Republican Governor of New York, Mr. Andrew Cuomo. Even though the 2A is part of the Republican platform, this guy had no qualms ram-rodding through the most restrictive anti-gun legislation in the Union.

If everyone followed lock-step with the party platform, as that is the implication I am getting from your posts, then this should not have happened. But, it did.

Look, I'm not wanting or trying to attack your beliefs, or those of anyone else. What I and JShirley want to stress is that we need to be focusing on Pro-2A and to gather as many allies be they Democrat, Republican, or Independent as we can and put them in positions where they can block Anti-2A legislation.

In that regard, party affiliations or labels are great for one thing: giving us the proper tools to alienate potential allies - and right now we need every Pro-2A friend that we can get.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

Governor Andrew Cuomo is a Democrat:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/democrat_andrew_cuomo_elected_governor_p1dPXXUfRxmzQ8Pc7XbSoI

 

[HorseSoldier]

And Mitt Romney was a Republican when he signed the MA assault weapons ban into law. As came up in another recent thread, Reagan was a Republican when, as governor of California, he banned open carry in that state in 1967. Bloomberg got into office as a Republican. Probably seven or eight times out of ten I'd rather have a Deep South red-state Democrat voting on gun control issues than a New England or West Coast Republican.

We oversimplify the politics of our fight at our own peril, both in terms of the elected bozos on both sides we sadly have to proxy this fight through, as well as by stereotyping and oversimplifying the politics of people we discount as potential supporters because we can't get past the binary us versus them tribal mentality.

 

[pillage]

Bloomturd was a Republican.

 

[Kiln]

The left hates gun shows because they're ignorant about how gun shows work. They think it is just a big building full of black market guns being traded without background checks.

 

[beatledog7]

I wonder what percentage of voters are really staunch single-issue voters.

I'm not. I wouldn't vote for Obama if he suddenly decided to push for a complete repeal of every gun control law in every state and at the federal level. He'd no doubt have an ulterior motive.

Any of you guys set to vote for the "publicly" pro-2A guy no matter what else he plans to do to you?

 

[JRH6856]

Publicly Pro 2a doesn't cut it. Even DiFi says her bill doesn't infringe on the 2A. Legislative history (voting record, bills introduced or sponsored, performance in committee) tells you what you need to know.

For me, the issue regarding the 2A isn't about guns, it is about respect for individual rights, and the Constitution that protects those rights and limits government power. How a person feels about the 2nd amendment tells me a lot about how they feel about the rest of the Constitution. They may have a better record in regards to the 1st amendment, or the 4th or 5th, but that just suggests that the rights protected there have not yet got in the way of what they want to do.

 

[JRH6856]

Gun show in Lewisville, TX was packed today. Long line outside, maybe 50-75 people with 15-20 cars circling the lot looking for a parking place. Building was full to capacity and I was told people could only get in when someone else left. I didn't wait. The Lewisville Special Events Center is a former Best Buy store so you can get an idea of the size.

 

[BCCL]

collectivism and statism is not bound by political party lines. The "left" can mean many thing in many contexts to different people. In this sense, it is those who believe that individuals are subservient to the collective whole, and that the mechanism of the state is best at managing the actions of the collective. These types of people hate guns and gun shows because they are the very action of individuals choosing not to fit into their assigned roles.

"guns are for cops and military". If that's not your state-given role, you shouldn't have guns. Know your place. Conform to where society tells you to be. Victim of a crime? Cower and call the police. School shooter? Wait for police to arrive. Your role is not to use violence to assert your individual right to life, liberty, property, or happiness. Ever. You fit into society. We will instruct you how to live, and possession of tools of violence is not part of your role. We will provide everything you need, but you will have nothing we don't provide.


They may not say all of the above in plain words, but it's how they really feel. You can see it in their actions and other statements. "only cops should have guns". "why do you need ____?" and so forth. You as an individual choosing your own path, from what car you drive to what lightbulbs you use to how you teach your children about religion, and being able to ensure your ability to do so through violence if need be, is downright terrifying to collectivists. And guns and gun shows are the physical embodiment of personal freedom being protected by an individual.


Understand that there is a large portion of people who want to be managed. And they hate and fear the fact you don't.

thunderous applause for this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SunnySlopes]

explain how demonizing all Democrats will help us.

It's not "demonizing" to point out the obvious. I don't care why you voted Democrat. The fact is that the Democrats are enemies of the Constitution and want to deprive us of gun ownership. And you knew it when you voted for the potus' second term, as well as also putting into office every other gun hating politician.

And then you want to suggest Democrats aren't the problem?

Anybody who votes for these America hating, Constitution hating traitors is culpable. This thing is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[ThorinNNY]

I an beginning to suspect that many people who run for, and hold political office run as Democrats or Republicans do so ONLY after carefully calculating which party label will give them the best odds of being elected or reelected.
It seems that both parties are held together-not by any deeply held belief systems, but are united only by an irressitable desire to gain wealth and power!
Of course, there are honorable exceptions in BOTH parties, but I think even if all elected office holders were limited to only serving two (2) terms, in many cases it would be a minimum of one (1) term too many!

 

[SuperNaut]

It's not "demonizing" to point out the obvious. I don't care why you voted Democrat. The fact is that the Democrats are enemies of the Constitution and want to deprive us of gun ownership. And you knew it when you voted for the potus' second term, as well as also putting into office every other gun hating politician.

And then you want to suggest Democrats aren't the problem?

Anybody who votes for these America hating, Constitution hating traitors is culpable. This thing is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

So, what then to do about those who supported Republicans who are anti-gun? Those who voted "R" in New York (and elsewhere) are what now? I've seen multiple defenses of Chris Christie and Mitt Romney on this very board when they are clearly anti-gun, the only reason for the defense is that they are Republicans.

Are you seriously not understanding that you have been sold out by both R's and D's?

Sarah Brady, (yes that Brady) one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment, is a life-long Republican. So forgive me if I find the Republican cheering section to be less than convincing.

 

[SunnySlopes]

what then to do about those who supported Republicans who are anti-gun

The fact is that conservatives stayed home in droves because of Romney's political history. It's a hot topic at the RNC as to whether or not that fact cost Romney the election.

But regardless who the republicans nominated, it still doesn't justify voting for this Constitution hating gun grabber.

Gun owners, all gun owners, need to stop voting for anybody who poses a threat to the 2nd Amendment. We've got what, 100 million gun owners in this country? We could form our own party and control the White House if we got on the same page.

 

[SuperNaut]

Now you're talking!

 

[Kim]

I remember watching Christ Matthews in one of his propaganda gun segments he has done everyday since Newton say "Why do we have gun shows?" like that was such a stupid thing. Someone tried to point out to him it was like a car,boat etc.shows but, he just sat there with a dumb smile on his face like he just could not understand.

 

[JShirley]

It's not "demonizing" to point out the obvious. I don't care why you voted Democrat. The fact is that the Democrats are enemies of the Constitution and want to deprive us of gun ownership. And you knew it when you voted for the potus' second term, as well as also putting into office every other gun hating politician.

And then you want to suggest Democrats aren't the problem?

Exactly who is the "you" you're referencing?

I am going to say this once more, since it seems to be harder to penetrate some skulls. Anyone who rants about how "Democrats", "liberals", or "the Left" is the problem is alienating people we desperately need to convince. It's stupid, it's short-sighted, and anyone who does it is NOT a friend to gun owners. AND they don't belong on THR. There are lots of other places in the web to be short-sighted and insult people who could be won to our side.

Anybody who votes for America hating, Constitution hating traitors is culpable. This thing is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Fixed it for you.

John

 

[gbran]

The New York State Legislature currently have split party control with a Democratic majority in the Assembly and a Republican majority in the Senate.

And.......... they just passed to worst gun control in the nation with help from both parties.

 

[AlbertH]

Let's not be our own worst enemy here, folks. You're not talking about "the Left" or "liberals" if you have any clue. You're discussing statism and authoritarianism.

Who cares what consenting adults do in privacy? Not me, and not you, if you're actually on the pro-gun side. So the issue is people who need to dictate what other people do, not people who wear white after Labor Day, or never go to church, or any of the myriad other things "the Left" may or may not do.

John

If it OK for the RIGHT TO DICTATE while at the same time the LEFT NOT BE ALLOWED TO..

Doesn't that kind of action directly violate other parts of the very constitution that includes the 2nd amendment?

 

[yokel]

The negative association with one of the two major political parties is hardly a mystery, in light of the fact that for several years the nation's most strident and dedicated gun control advocates include the likes "Chuck" Schumer and Dianne Feinstein.

Carolyn McCarthy ran for Congress for one reason: gun control.