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Why the Left hates Self-Defense

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Dr. Dickie, Apr 30, 2007.

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  1. Dr. Dickie

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    Yeah, he gets it.
    http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=7997_0_1_0_M

     
  2. hso

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    Who is the "He" that you're referring to?
     
  3. Dr. Dickie

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    Sorry, I disagree. I don't know a single liberal who would not use force to protect their family etc in a dire situation. Their issue is with using firearms in self defense. I respect their right not to believe in guns. On a side note, I bet you one could find many conservatives who also don't believe in using firearms.
     
  5. eric.cartman

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    You haven't lived in NYC, have you?

    I have a friend there, who's solution to a armed robbery in his house is to install better doors and locks... he tells me that "killing" someone is not an option for him, and he feels that's exactly what a gun in his hand would do.

    So, there are people who would not fight back. I know them personally.
     
  6. cbsbyte

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    No, I don't live in NYC, but I live in Massachusetts, near Springfield and thus know many liberals. Anyway, it all depends on the individual. Some believe in self defense others do not. Its their choice.
     
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    Well...I like to keep the issue we have in common as shooters, the right to bear arms, and not offend the few liberals there are, and there are some, who reserve the right to a free country and protection, and empowerement in general. Although there are many good points, and there are days when I am so enraged with liberal socialist communists I would agree. However, the issue is too important to divide over political terms, we who are active in the defense of what we cherish, and what gives us the ability to disagree.

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    How do you hate self defense?
     
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    CBSBYTES - "I don't know a single liberal who would not use force to protect their family etc in a dire situation. Their issue is with using firearms in self defense."

    I know quite a few left wing liberals in Los Angeles, who would never use force to protect themselves or family. Over 35 years living in L.A., and talking with many of these liberals, I discovered long ago they think the only thing one should do when attacked is get the bad guy involved in "conflict resolution" dialogue. What I call "The Liberals' Rodney King Syndrome." ("Can't we all just get along?")

    Afterall, "Violence against a bad guy just breeds more violence... and puts you down on the bad guy's level." Besides, you can just call nine-one-one and the police will come riding in on white horses to save you.

    Frankly, if a left wing liberal wants to allow him/herself and family, to be brutalized, robbed, raped, bludgeoned, strangled, burned, knifed, shot, and murdered, I could not possibly care less.

    My problem with all these cowardly, wimped out, holier-than-thou liberals is that they demand laws that forbid me to protect myself and my family... in order to justify their own cowardice.

    As for some "conservatives" who are in the same camp, yep, there are a few... but the anti-self defense/anti-guns crowd is dominated by left wing liberals.

    L.W.
     
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    "liberal" and "conservative" don't map one to one for being for or against using firearms for self defense.

    There were and are many folks that would be considered "liberals" by Southern standards that have no qualms about using firearms for self defense. There are many "conservatives" that would never consider using firearms for self defense in those same communities. Conversly, there are "conservatives" in the Western US who support the use of firearms for self defense and "liberals" that don't.

    The issue is too complicated for the simplistic pigeonholing of people into "conservative" or "liberal" boxes and as long as we don't address the world as it actually is and not as we want to dumb it down to we'll never have much success reaching the vast majority of non-idealogues in this country.
     
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    And that is just ONE flaw in the lib's argument. There are no "levels". We are all simply human beings who possess the potential and proclivity towards being violent. It is our nature. There is no such thing as "royal blood lines". We are all the same, poor or rich, black or white. God did not make create us as being better or worse than another. That is a choice WE make. But try and explain that to a liberal. Good luck...

    Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.
     
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    Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if a gun in his hand would cause him to kill someone in self-defense, then wouldn't that mean that "KILLING" (I prefer to say use whatever force necessary to stop the attack, which doesn't necessarily mean taking the BG's life), WOULD BE an option?

    Cbsbyte, it looks to me like your friend has contradicted himself. Might want to talk to him about that. If he sits and really thinks about what he is saying, he might take a different view on self-defense, and thus maybe add one more person to our cause.

    I'd probably be wrong, but hey, anything is worth a shot if it can do good as the end result.

    -Matt
     
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    It's a sin question...

    I don't know if this "religious" remark is allowed here, but I'll try. Liberals in general don't believe in the innate sinfulness of man. They believe that all men are basically good. They believe that all people have a "spark of god" inside. I noticed last week that the VT students were mourning the death of the evil CHO, along with the other students. Why? Because he was human, too, and because his twenty years of goodness out-weighed his one day of badness. Liberals believe in the goodness of man, therefore it is wrong to defend yourself, and wrong to kill ANY other human being, because you are killing someone innately good, in spite of the evil they may be doing NOW.

    In my view we are all sinners under the skin, but some people are given over to evil, and they need to always be noted and sometimes eliminated.
     
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    I think this whole liberal / conservative thing is a crock of shyte.

    You have people who believe / know that if they had a gun, they would shoot the wrong people. They don't trust themselves with a gun. And therefore they don't trust *you* with a gun.

    There's some kind of a magic wand that gets waved to make it OK for law enforcement to have guns, I still havn't wrapped my head around that (seeing as how half the families who get shot by the head of the household here in South Africa just so happen to have a police fellow as the head of the former household...)

    *sigh*

    Koos
     
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    Several of you seem to be conflating "burglary" with "threat to self/family."

    This is not the case. These are distinct events and should be treated as such.

    Perhaps I'm one of those self-defense hating damn dirty lib'ruls, because I'm not going to shoot someone over my TV set. Or my dog. Or even some of my guns. Step toward me and I'll think about it. Step toward one of my kids (if I had any) and I'll do it twice.
     
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    Sheesh - next you're going to be calling for intelligent political dicourse with people might not agree with you!

    What era are you from? The height of political philosophy and reasoning is calling someone a name! Opinion polls demonstrate that the mightiest intellectural jugeranaut is calling your opponent "Liberal". It so poweful wer just call it the "L word". How did you not learn this?

    Where the heck do you get the idea that you're allowed to not fit an ignorant stereotype? Do you think that you're allowed to think for yourself? Who gave you that freedom? You must conform to stereotypes, or our electon process will fall apart.

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    The problem with most liberals is that they think they can solve the problems of society by removing things that are "evil" and "Healing" those who choose to do wrong.
     
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    I thought to protect yourself - you only need to dial 911.. At least that's what were told by certain folks..:uhoh:
     
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    Can you actually back up the "most" in this statement, or is this just something you heard?

    I know a number of liberals, and I don't think one of them would agree with your generalization. For example, most of them support removing people who chose to do wrong things from society. It is true that many of them would call for treatment of non-violent drug offenders (but so would many people I think of as conservative).

    Do you actually have some stats or surverys or polls to back up the "most" in your claim?

    Mike
     
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    I've heard plenty of people here in DE say they wouldn't use a gun (or other weapon) to kill in self-defense. Most of these people are fellow students at the University of Delaware. (another "Gun Free Zone":uhoh: ) It just dumbfounds me because we as humans should have self-preservation hardwired in us. I always just took it as a given that if someone was trying to kill / harm a person or that persons family, said person would instinctually use deadly force in return provided they had the means to do so.

    It's scary to hear a college student say they'd rather fight and claw their way to safety unarmed than use a gun in self-defense to take the life of someone threatening their own life. The rediculous logic required to come to such a conclusion is beyond my comprehension. Sadly, I heard exactly that logic from some students in the wake of the VT shooting. All I can do is look at them and think "I really don't get it.":confused:

    And more on topic, we can't make broad generalizations about self-defense attitudes of conservatives / liberals or left / right. My brother is a liberal Democrat, yet owns several guns and I doubt he'd hesitate to use them defensively. Then again he's an LEO so maybe he doesn't count as typical.
     
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    I agree with the liberal/conservative monikers - they don't fit here.

    Folks who dislike guns on that irrational level are afraid, or maybe in a more positive light, too civilized to protect themselves. I support their choice to surrender that right for themselves and to appoint the government the job of protecting themselves and their familes.

    What I strongly object to is them making that choice for me.
     
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    they have it all wrong, it 1911 ;)
     
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    I've never been an anti. Been pro-gun all my life but I used to say I'd never kill anyone for taking my TV myself - until my home had been broken into 3 times and my daughters' cars broken into and/or vandalized multiple times.

    You know what they say:

    An anti is just a gunny that hasn't been mugged yet...

    I daresay there's many an anti-gun woman out there that's been brutally raped that wishes she'd had a gun when the incident occured. I wonder how many of them are STILL anti's?
     
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    That's it - :) 1911 - I knew I was close
     
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    Eureaka; now I understand ! It's the caste system. Being a victum somehow puts you in a higher social status than all us lowly non-victims.

    Not being a socially aware person I now realalize my short comings and shall take my rightful lowly status to heart.............. and d####ed proud of it.
     
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