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why would anyone collect M1 30 caliber carbines?
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rugerman
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People collect all kinds of stupid stuff ,beanie babies, tiffany lamps, you name it. But what else can you collect that is fun and can protect you in your hour of need, NOT SOME DAMN BEANIE BABY!
1858remington
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Why would anyone collect smoking pipes... My collections around 40 ATM.
I collect becaues I like them. I like the way they look, and how they smoke. Not all are good smokers, but they are of the style I enjoy the look of.
I collect becaues I like them. I like the way they look, and how they smoke. Not all are good smokers, but they are of the style I enjoy the look of.medalguy
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This thread got me to wondering about the first M1 carbine I every bought, so I dragged out the paperwork from DCM back in 1963. I paid $17.50 for it, still have it.
Oh yeah, then in 1976 I bought a Winchester Garand barreled receiver for $14.09 as part of a trade-in of worn or damaged M1 receivers. Good deals and I'm glad I took advantage of both.
Oh yeah, then in 1976 I bought a Winchester Garand barreled receiver for $14.09 as part of a trade-in of worn or damaged M1 receivers. Good deals and I'm glad I took advantage of both.
Ignition Override
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Having bought a brand-new imitation Carbine in '07, it turned into junk after about 200 rds.
One day the bolt was hindered by some extra friction. When pulling it back all the way, it was jammed solid.
The free repair at the Auto Ordnance plant should never have been necessary on a gun which was kept clean and never dropped etc. It was both my first, and last brand-new gun.
It is doubtful that this could happen to an authentic M-1 Carbine unless it were abused.
One day the bolt was hindered by some extra friction. When pulling it back all the way, it was jammed solid.
The free repair at the Auto Ordnance plant should never have been necessary on a gun which was kept clean and never dropped etc. It was both my first, and last brand-new gun.
It is doubtful that this could happen to an authentic M-1 Carbine unless it were abused.
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lemaymiami
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I've never owned a carbine, but would love to.... It wouldn't be part of any collection, it would be a primary defensive weapon for a vehicle, provided it was in good servicable condition. What's not to like about a small lightweight carbine for close encounters with potentially multiple subjects? Particularly one with 15 round clips standard (with an available 30 round model if needed...).... Add modern soft nosed ammo and in the 50 yard and under range you'd be good to go (all the way). For those that underestimate that measily .30 round you might want to consider that in the infamous FBI shootout (as it came to be known down here in paradise) the one active shooter (the other guy was pretty much out of commission almost from the very beginning) was armed with a carbine and just shredded most of the agents and uniforms in a pointblank shootout... before finally being put down. That should be enough to get most to re-consider.... It's certainly not a main battle rifle, and there are modern weapons that can do more - but the 30 carbine is pretty good stuff for the kind of encounter I'm likely to have (and hope never occurs).
I'm well trained and very comfortable with a standard police shotgun (and I've used it when I had to on the street where it counted). I'd love to have one of those old carbines in servicable condition and wouldn't have a second thought about it....
I'm well trained and very comfortable with a standard police shotgun (and I've used it when I had to on the street where it counted). I'd love to have one of those old carbines in servicable condition and wouldn't have a second thought about it....
Capybara
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How can you not like the M1 Carbine? It's like a Golden Retriever, lovable, dependable, non-demanding.
I just bought my first CMP M1 Garand, an HRA Service Special. I would love to have it's little brother, the M1 carbine. No Auto-Ordinance for me, I want a real deal. Just need to save the money.
I just bought my first CMP M1 Garand, an HRA Service Special. I would love to have it's little brother, the M1 carbine. No Auto-Ordinance for me, I want a real deal. Just need to save the money.
One of our oldest club members was second wave on Iwo and Okinawa. He carried a carbine and hated it. He still dislikes carbines because "you could not hit the enemy at 200 yards if you were aiming at them". He said he still shot at them at that distance, but it was ineffectual.
To show the marksmanship training of the period, he had twenty rounds total with two carbines before he was shipped into a combat zone. Initially I thought he said he took the second carbine, which he had zeroed at familiarization, with him over seas. He later claimed the carbine he was issued after advanced training, the one that went with him into combat, he had to zero in combat!
I asked him, why did he carry a carbine?, it was required because of his MOS. Why did not he not take a Garand from a dead or wounded Marine?, because the stretcher bearers picked up the dead or wounded Marines and their Garands/Carbines, etc. He was frustrated with that, he could not pick up a Garand before the Marine and the Garand were carted off.
He had gone over to a Marine and asked to trade his carbine plus goodies for that Marine's Garand. The Marine was not receptive. (It sounded like more of a cussing out)
I am not impressed with carbines, have a couple. They are not accurate and they are not powerful. I would take a Garand anytime.
mljdeckard
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Well, don't expect it to do things it isn't supposed to. It isn't supposed to engage targets out past 200 yards.
In my experience they are plenty accurate.
In my experience they are plenty accurate.
Why is a M1 Carbine Junk?
I inherited one. It's a light, handy little rifle good for stuff out to about 100 yards. The wife's grandfather got it for $10 through the NRA many years ago. I think he may have been issued one in WW2. He used this one for hunting deer with soft points.
Now that I have it, it's a fun little gun. It's accurate enough for what it's intended for. It was never really meant for 200 yard engagements. My only complaint is the ammo is not as readily available as say 5.56.
I inherited one. It's a light, handy little rifle good for stuff out to about 100 yards. The wife's grandfather got it for $10 through the NRA many years ago. I think he may have been issued one in WW2. He used this one for hunting deer with soft points.
Now that I have it, it's a fun little gun. It's accurate enough for what it's intended for. It was never really meant for 200 yard engagements. My only complaint is the ammo is not as readily available as say 5.56.
I have read that the soldiers in the European Theater during WWII liked the carbine but the soldiers in the Pacific did not.
A friend of mine was a forward observer in Europe during WWII. He was issued a carbine but was concerned about its effectiveness. He scrounged a Garand. Carried it for a while and decided it was to heavy. He went back to the carbine.
I guess I am one of those dummies who collects carbines. Wish I had finished out the set of manufacturers when CMP had them. Oh, well.
I think the 30 Carbine would be a good home defense weapon and cartridge but I would not want to use my WWII vintage carbines. Unfortunately, the current manufactured carbines do not have the best reputation. The 300 Blk is a good substitute and for those who need a black rifle with all the bells ans whistles, you can hang everything including the kitchen sink off it.
USSR
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While the sights on a M1 Carbine are exceedingly optimistic with a 300 yard range setting, inside 150 yards it is quite effective. The comparison is constantly made to a main battle rifle, which is not what it was designed to be. It is a personal defense weapon issued to someone who would normally be issued a M1911, and is much superior to it when the range lengthens.
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FLRon
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I share the sentiments of those posting before me. Historically significant, suitably powered for 150 yards and under, high capacity magazine, ideal for self-defense situations, to include South Florida cannibals, for which I need to be prepared, I decided to order one from Fulton Armory last Friday.
MCgunner
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It's the sexiest lookin' weapon in WW2, bar none. Besides, the Lieutenant in "Combat", Lt. Hanley, carried one and I've desired one ever since, though as you've discovered the reason I've never gotten one, the price. Actually, years ago, the price wasn't that bad, but by the time I got to the point in my life I thought about getting one, the price had gotten worse.
My SIL has a commercial one, a Universal. I've tried to talk it out of him. No go. He likes it too much.
My SIL has a commercial one, a Universal. I've tried to talk it out of him. No go. He likes it too much.
mljdeckard
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My dad dropped two deer in one day with one. Hmmm.
MCgunner
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Not really chambered for a hunting cartridge and I wouldn't hunt deer with it. I'd just like to have one BECAUSE. Ain't that a good enough reason? Is for me!
Husker_Fan
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I think it is one of the best carbines ever. I prefer it to an AR for a variety of reasons and don't feel like I'm sacrificing much. I have quality, reliable 30 round magazines for it and even a tacticool sling. I ran my Underwood though a carbine class and even the doubters came out agreeing that it was completely capable.
At the muzzle it has 1/3 MORE momentum and 80% of the energy of a 5.56 round. Out to 150 yards it will do quite well. After that it bleeds energy and drops like a rock due to its low sectional density.
At the muzzle it has 1/3 MORE momentum and 80% of the energy of a 5.56 round. Out to 150 yards it will do quite well. After that it bleeds energy and drops like a rock due to its low sectional density.
mljdeckard
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I would never use it to hunt deer either. But if I had to drop a deer with one, I absolutely could. I'm just musing over the claims of deer not falling to it repeatedly. I would question someone's marksmanship. (Especially for white tails. The ones my dad shot were mulies.)
MCgunner
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If it were legal, I could kill deer with my .22. I'd head shoot 'em no more'n 50 yards. But, just because I could, don't mean I would. I have many better choices. Hell, I've killed 200 lbs hogs with a NAA mini revolver, head shot, point blank range.
Minor correction, bleeds velocity due to poor ballistic coefficient.
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A couple of months ago my dad gave me the M-1 Carbine he had owned since I was a kid in the 1960's. It was covered in sawdust from having sat in his woodshop for at least 30 years that I can remember.
I assumed that it was a Universal, because the old man acquired it when we lived in Miami and he is a cheeeeeeap old bird.
I cleaned the weapon up and squealed with delight when I saw the magic word "Rock-Ola" stamped in the metal. Yessir, this weapon was manufactured specifically to kill Nazis or Tojos back during War2!
I bought some magazines and ammo and went to the range. At 100 yards, off my hind legs, I can shoot a group that I can cover with my hand with this nearly 70 year old weapon. (I'm pretty good at the offhand and standing positions.)
Since the M-16 has failed me in combat, it will never again be my first choice as a weapon. Next time out, I hope to have my "new" M-1 Carbine with me. It has a good bit more momentum and diameter than the poodle-shooter at "combat-realistic" ranges. If my adversaries are more than 150 yards out, well, then it is time to pull out the 'big guns'...
I assumed that it was a Universal, because the old man acquired it when we lived in Miami and he is a cheeeeeeap old bird.
I cleaned the weapon up and squealed with delight when I saw the magic word "Rock-Ola" stamped in the metal. Yessir, this weapon was manufactured specifically to kill Nazis or Tojos back during War2!
I bought some magazines and ammo and went to the range. At 100 yards, off my hind legs, I can shoot a group that I can cover with my hand with this nearly 70 year old weapon. (I'm pretty good at the offhand and standing positions.)
Since the M-16 has failed me in combat, it will never again be my first choice as a weapon. Next time out, I hope to have my "new" M-1 Carbine with me. It has a good bit more momentum and diameter than the poodle-shooter at "combat-realistic" ranges. If my adversaries are more than 150 yards out, well, then it is time to pull out the 'big guns'...
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