WI: CCW bill delivered to governor

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Monkeyleg: If you can’t tell that I’m from the state after reading my posts, you worry me. Further, I was only trying to warn people of the current laws – especially after reading what all the amateur lawyers out there are telling their clients. Are you angry that I warned them before they marched on Dane and Milwaukee counties? Forget I said it then. You pay their bail.

Yes. If the bill passes, things change. If they don’t and anyone decides to march on Milwaukee’s City Hall, have bail money available. That’s all I was trying to tell the know-it-alls.
 
Monkeyleg: Anyone that feels the need to harm me because of his or her own uninformed statements, which will put another in peril, I’m not really worried about. Anyone that has ever threatened me with the use of force has learned that. I’m not afraid of any of threats anyone makes here.
 
CommonSense, I think it's so late in the evening that I can't joke around without being misunderstood.

First off: I know you're from Wisconsin. I was just kidding about you being an alien.

Secondly, there's no threat from Hunter Rose, unless you want to have him unleash dozens of attractive young ladies upon you. ;)

Third, just like you, I've tried to warn people about taking too literally the state's position on open carry. Some people don't want to work to achieve a goal that requires a real committment politically, physically, or in terms of time. They just want to be "miracled" what they want, without effort.

Fourth, when this is all over, I'd like to sit down at a George Webb's for coffee with you. Sorry, but that's about as haut de couture as I get.
 
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>Hi Hunter Rose: There are many County laws that exceed State laws here. You do not have the right to open carry in Milwaukee. You state, “we here in Wisconsin have a preemption lawâ€.., Good luck telling the judge some nitwit lawyer told you that. Stupidity is not a defense currently allowed. Further, I’m not a lawyer, but I do advise you to sue the one that told you that. He (or she) could have gotten you in to a lot of trouble!<

No... unfortunately, you really didn't read what I've posted (or I posted it in another thread, since we have several going at once). We do have a preemption law on the books... I distinctly remember it being passed. So any law that Milwaukee (county or city) has against open carry would be meaningless, and be struck down on appeal to higer courts (assuming you were found guilty of violating such in the first place).

HOWEVER, should you decide to carry openly in downtown Milwaukee, you would more than likely get busted for "disturbing the peace". Which, while a minor offense, would still cost money (and you would probably forfiet you weapon)...

I must respectfully suggest you actually read the laws before you comment on them. And, as for the "nitwit lawyer"... my only lawyer is kin, so don't be dissin' the boy... ;)

>You might want to drop the “Rose†part of your handle before heading off to prison. Had you have read this bill before posting, you’d see that local control is still possible.<

Huh? Yes, counties have the ability of "opting out", but that's only for issuance. Every county but one can opt out: so long as one county is issuing, those permits are good throughout the state. Any ordinance passed by Milwaukee (or Madison, or Appleton, or GB, or...) "banning" CCW would be meaningless...

Oh... BTW... Dick was joking about the "warning". Might I suggest you purchase a humour detector?
 
Monkeyleg: Thanks for picking on me. You seem to have me in your sights.

Hunter Rose: Nothing personal, but telling people the things you believe to be true will end up in lots of arrests. I hope you’re rich enough to to bail them all out. Again, believe what you want to believe. I’ll buy a “humour detector†when you stop advising people of their rights and go back to peacefully weaving the baskets your keepers have tried to entertain you with.
 
CommonSense, I don't have you "in my sights." It just seems that, everytime I try to alert THR members to what's going on, you pop up.

Lighten up. The battle lines have been drawn, and there will only be a couple of surprises either way.

And, the offer of George Webb's coffee still stands. Hunter Rose can join in as well.

Hunter, The Safe House was an attraction for newly-minted drinkers back in the 1970's. I'm absolutley amazed that the place is still in business today. It's like the Disneyworld of Milwaukee bars.

Now, if you want some really good night life, and some good blues, you have to go on the North Side, and be prepared to be Not Welcome White. Deb and I have spent many a night in some great blues and jazz joints over the years, but lately we seem to need somebody to "vouch" for us.

Oh, for the days when Frank Balistrieri ruled the city, and the criminals needed mob permission to even be criminals, and every little old lady was safe. Now we have "community-based" policing, and even Ahrnold wouldn't walk the streets.

RIP, Frank. A lot of us still miss you.
 
In other words, can you envision some "opt-out" sheriff having to eat a bit of crow to keep his deputies--and no small amount of money--back in his jurisdiction?
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It is the job of the Journal Sentinel to demoralize gunowners. It's their job to make us all think that we cannot win.
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Monkeyleg, I have no doubt that you are correct on both accounts.
I just find it disgraceful as to how these elected county sheriffs try to politicize my rights. I live in Washington county, and the local sheriff has put op-ed columns in my local paper about how is for the chilren to keep people from carrying personal protection. I've never paid much attention to sheriff's races in elections in the past, but I certainly will now.
 
Back to the POINT, guys...

Wisconsin Concealed Carry
The CC Bill has passed the legislature and on the way to Gov. Doyle's desk. If you want this legislation to be LAW, contact Gov. Doyle NOW, and also make sure your assembly-person and senator-person hear from you to be set to override the Governor's expected veto. Email, write, fax or telephone.

The Sheriff in Wisconsin is not an employeeof the County Board, so calling & supporting the local Sheriff (wasn't that a movie title??) will be a fruitful act for those who want to see CCW. Don't tell me why it won'twork--DO IT!!!
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FWIW, we'd love that bill in IL!

Hey, stop picking on these guys.

If we thought we could get a bill like that passed in Illinois we would be dancing in the streets. You guys from existing shal;l issue states aree forgetting how much of an effort it takes to go from nothing to something on these issues.

You have all or most of the media, the liberals activist groups and the sherriffs against you co-opting their personal priveleges of carrying.

Good work Monkeyleg. I hope Daley doesn't decide to annex Wisconsin or put up border crossing points on 90/94 to check you all for evil weapons.

Don P.
 
I started to post a reply to CS...

... and decided it was better handled privately. Don't want to get into a urination competition... ;)

And a thought occured to me: if *I* were sitting in the Goobernor's chair, and didn't like CCW, I might look at how things are going and say "Hmmm... they've got the votes to override my veto. I'll just let 'em stew, and simply not sign it... let them waste their effort, preparing to override me". Of course, I fully admit to being less than nice, so... >:)
 
Not sign it?

As long as it passes, I don't care what Doyle does.

That's actually the take I've been trying to encourage with him. (like it matters) Encouraging him not to sign, let CCW pass by default (for those outside WI, we don't have "pocket veto"), and not suffer the embarrassment of being overridden, expending political capital close to elections on this etc. etc.

It's the only way he can guarantee some victory out of this, he can at least go back to all the anti's and blissninny's come election time and claim he "refused to sign off" on CCW...
 
For Common Sense:

Wisconsin's preemption law that was passed in 1995:

66.0409 Local regulation of firearms.

66.0409(1)(b)"Political subdivision" means a city, village, town or county.

66.0409(2) Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4), no political subdivision may enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute.

66.0409(4)(b)If a political subdivision has in effect on November 17, 1995, an ordinance or resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, and the ordinance or resolution is not the same as or similar to a state statute, the ordinance or resolution shall have no legal effect and the political subdivision may not enforce the ordinance or resolution on or after November 18, 1995.

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No laws against open carry in Wisconsin State Statute? You can carry openly on foot.
 
Hi Lonnie: Thank you for bringing me up to date. It does appear amendments made in ’95, ’98 and ’01 have the State Supreme Court convinced it is legal to override local governing agencies.

I checked a little further and Hunter Rose is correct that now they just charge you with, “Disturbing The Peaceâ€, or “Disorderly Conduct†depending on your behavior. If you’re a real butt-head, it appears you get charged with “Obstructing†as well. I also learned that if you don’t cooperate in a manner the police approve of in Milwaukee, they will not just give you a ticket and send you on your way. They’ll take you in to booking and let you sit there a few hours (the same as they did with the “ticket scalpers†you may have read about). I tried to find out what happened to people from out of state without success.

Anyway, thank you both for your information. This has been a question in our office recently.

Lonnie: What is a law regarding the weapon being loaded? I tried reading the microprint, but my eyes were sore after helping someone move until 12:15 this morning. Plus, the only way I can read these laws is to print them out, and my home laser is suffering for power and I’m not at work (Lord knows I wouldn’t think of printing one of these out on the inkjet!)
 
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