WI CCW bill passes committee
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Henry Bowman
Senior Member
Congrats, cheeseheads!
sturmruger
Member
I hope this works this time!! Both of my legislatures are Republicans and will vote for this bill.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
On, Wisconsin!
Monkeyleg
Member.
This is not good news.
The bill should go to the senate first, and it shouldn't be moving this quickly.
Somebody in Republican leadership is trying to screw this bill.
On top of that, there's no way we'll be able to get the number of supporters we need to the Capitol by Thursday. Also, there was also a "shock and awe" plan I was working on for the assembly vote.
The bill should go to the senate first, and it shouldn't be moving this quickly.
Somebody in Republican leadership is trying to screw this bill.
On top of that, there's no way we'll be able to get the number of supporters we need to the Capitol by Thursday. Also, there was also a "shock and awe" plan I was working on for the assembly vote.
TGT
Member
For the History with why this bill has been stalled for two years....
all you have to know is that Wisconsin has a Democrat GOVERNOR.
Back in the 1990's, we were ready to pass a Texas CHL law, but absolutely could not do it until we got rid of Anne Democrat Richards. One year after she was out, we got our CHL.
You young voters out there in Wisconsin, remember this when you go to the polls next time.
all you have to know is that Wisconsin has a Democrat GOVERNOR.
Back in the 1990's, we were ready to pass a Texas CHL law, but absolutely could not do it until we got rid of Anne Democrat Richards. One year after she was out, we got our CHL.
You young voters out there in Wisconsin, remember this when you go to the polls next time.
Strings
Member
>The bill should go to the senate first, and it shouldn't be moving this quickly.
Somebody in Republican leadership is trying to screw this bill.<
Just out of curiosity, Dick, why do you say that? Just curious... I took it as a good sign...
Somebody in Republican leadership is trying to screw this bill.<
Just out of curiosity, Dick, why do you say that? Just curious... I took it as a good sign...
Monkeyleg
Member.
TGT, here's a dirty little secret: Governor Tommy Thompson, who was in office for 16 years, never wanted this bill delivered to his desk. It was too controversial. He didn't want to see it, he didn't want to veto it, and he certainly didn't want to sign it.
Hunter Rose, there are a gazillion reasons why an early vote is a bad idea. One is that Democrat legislators from solidly-Democrat districts, districts that have always been pro-gun, don't even know about the issue.
Give the NRA, the WCCA, gun clubs, and other groups a couple of months to hammer away at them--the way your people did in Manitowoc and Sheboygan--and you'll get some converts in the legislature.
Time works in our favor. This past weekend, freshman Dem Representative Mike Sheridan of Janesville--who had gone on record as being opposed to CCW--got hundreds of postcards from his constituents. From what I'm told, he's now taking a more "thoughtful" approach to the issue.
There are other freshman Democrats in key areas who need to be pressured by their constituents. If we have a vote---especially an assembly vote---next week, we're going to lose.
I've been pressuring the powers that be to delay a veto override vote as long as possible. Why? Because I believe that Doyle's numbers will continue to fall. And, as some Dem's have to decide between Doyle and the NRA, Doyle's support will erode.
The senate is key. We need to see more than enough votes there to override a Doyle veto, even if it's only 23 to 11. That kind of margin--and we saw it last time--will be enough to get assembly Democrat representatives thinking about their own political fortunes.
We need to wait until Doyle's campaign numbers begin to gel. It's far too early right now to use those numbers as a playing card.
When I mentioned the "shock and awe" idea, it's one that I'd like to talk to you about. On the phone. Land-lines, please.
We've all worked so hard, come so far, and have gotten so close to just give up.
There is no reason that we cannot override a Doyle veto on concealed carry this year. None. He just had a veto overriden, the first veto overidden in roughly twenty years.
No legislator who votes with Doyle will get an NRA "A" rating. That may not mean much to the liberal Dem's in Milwaukee, but it means everything to the conservative Democrats in outlying parts of the state. That "A" rating is everything. Especially if the legislator is running against a Democrat with a "B+" rating.
Doyle smells like roadkill.
Please, folks, step up to the plate and do what is right. We're so close to a victory that the only thing stopping our victory is your lack of participation.
There are all sorts of jobs needed to be done, and jobs that suit every personality. We need aggressive types to work the gun shows. We need quiet types to just drop off literature at gun stores and gun clubs. We need folks like AJ Dual who are trying to keep multiple babies sorted out, but still find the time to help.
If you want to help, please email me at [email protected]
Hunter Rose, there are a gazillion reasons why an early vote is a bad idea. One is that Democrat legislators from solidly-Democrat districts, districts that have always been pro-gun, don't even know about the issue.
Give the NRA, the WCCA, gun clubs, and other groups a couple of months to hammer away at them--the way your people did in Manitowoc and Sheboygan--and you'll get some converts in the legislature.
Time works in our favor. This past weekend, freshman Dem Representative Mike Sheridan of Janesville--who had gone on record as being opposed to CCW--got hundreds of postcards from his constituents. From what I'm told, he's now taking a more "thoughtful" approach to the issue.
There are other freshman Democrats in key areas who need to be pressured by their constituents. If we have a vote---especially an assembly vote---next week, we're going to lose.
I've been pressuring the powers that be to delay a veto override vote as long as possible. Why? Because I believe that Doyle's numbers will continue to fall. And, as some Dem's have to decide between Doyle and the NRA, Doyle's support will erode.
The senate is key. We need to see more than enough votes there to override a Doyle veto, even if it's only 23 to 11. That kind of margin--and we saw it last time--will be enough to get assembly Democrat representatives thinking about their own political fortunes.
We need to wait until Doyle's campaign numbers begin to gel. It's far too early right now to use those numbers as a playing card.
When I mentioned the "shock and awe" idea, it's one that I'd like to talk to you about. On the phone. Land-lines, please.
We've all worked so hard, come so far, and have gotten so close to just give up.
There is no reason that we cannot override a Doyle veto on concealed carry this year. None. He just had a veto overriden, the first veto overidden in roughly twenty years.
No legislator who votes with Doyle will get an NRA "A" rating. That may not mean much to the liberal Dem's in Milwaukee, but it means everything to the conservative Democrats in outlying parts of the state. That "A" rating is everything. Especially if the legislator is running against a Democrat with a "B+" rating.
Doyle smells like roadkill.
Please, folks, step up to the plate and do what is right. We're so close to a victory that the only thing stopping our victory is your lack of participation.
There are all sorts of jobs needed to be done, and jobs that suit every personality. We need aggressive types to work the gun shows. We need quiet types to just drop off literature at gun stores and gun clubs. We need folks like AJ Dual who are trying to keep multiple babies sorted out, but still find the time to help.
If you want to help, please email me at [email protected]
tommytrauma
Member
I just stopped up at the capitol to drop off a letter for my rep asking that he support the bill. While I was there, I stopped in Representative Gundersen's office to ask about this turn of events. I spoke with a very pleasant young lady who said she had seen the same news article, but that the information was incorrect. She assured me that the Assembly will not be taking up the bill before December. I asked her if that information was solid enough for dissimination, and she assured me that it was.
In briefly discussing the bill with My Rep's (Assemblyman Parisi) staff, I was told that police officer's concerns regarding being able to pull up permit information during a traffic stop was a significant concern. I understand why some object to this, but we need to look at it the same way we're urging our opponents to look at CCW. We can look at the outcome of such an issue in the many states that already have such a system in place. I haven't heard of any significant problems resulting from officers' being informed of permit status during traffic stops in other states, have you?
In briefly discussing the bill with My Rep's (Assemblyman Parisi) staff, I was told that police officer's concerns regarding being able to pull up permit information during a traffic stop was a significant concern. I understand why some object to this, but we need to look at it the same way we're urging our opponents to look at CCW. We can look at the outcome of such an issue in the many states that already have such a system in place. I haven't heard of any significant problems resulting from officers' being informed of permit status during traffic stops in other states, have you?
Monkeyleg
Member.
Tommytrauma, the vote was indeed scheduled for Thursday, but Gunderson got leadership to move it to December.
Zien and Gunderson want the list of permit holders kept separate for a couple of reasons. One is out of concern over remarks made by the Appleton police chief, who said that he would deal aggressively with permit holders. They also don't want the list to be subject to the kinds of abuses we've seen in other states.
In the end, this could be one of the many parts of the bill that I expect to see amended.
Zien and Gunderson want the list of permit holders kept separate for a couple of reasons. One is out of concern over remarks made by the Appleton police chief, who said that he would deal aggressively with permit holders. They also don't want the list to be subject to the kinds of abuses we've seen in other states.
In the end, this could be one of the many parts of the bill that I expect to see amended.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
Thanks, eh? I like good news.
tommytrauma
Member
Monkeyleg said:
I suspect it might be the 'make or break' in getting this passed. I was left with the strong impression that it was weighing heavily in Rep Parisi's decision.
Actions like that described by Chief Fife from Appleton would have to be dealt with aggressively. Personally, I would be terribly traumatized if I was confronted at gunpoint for a minor traffic infraction. So traumatized that I'd have to seek counseling. I'd suffer great psychological harm. Probably a loss of earning capacity and everything. Just ask my lawyer.
It says volumes about a man when he is afraid of his fellow man unless that fellow man is rendered harmless. Scared little men don't belong in law enforcement.
Monkeyleg
Member.
Tommytrauma, do you really expect a Madison Democrat to vote for this bill, or even tell you the truth?
I was talking to our NRA lobbyist last night, and he mentioned a Milwaukee area Democrat who had told him that he/she would consider voting for the bill.
I've known this legislator for years, and there's no way. None. Zip.
Last session we saw many, many amendments added to the bill to get to the number of votes we needed. I really don't expect this go-round to be any different. What's disgusting is that there are already Republicans asking for concessions.
As for the Appleton police chief: if we get this bill passed, as soon as I get my permit I'm driving to Appleton and doing a rolling stop at a stop sign in full view of a police officer.
I've always dreamed of being able to afford to retire early.
I was talking to our NRA lobbyist last night, and he mentioned a Milwaukee area Democrat who had told him that he/she would consider voting for the bill.
I've known this legislator for years, and there's no way. None. Zip.
Last session we saw many, many amendments added to the bill to get to the number of votes we needed. I really don't expect this go-round to be any different. What's disgusting is that there are already Republicans asking for concessions.
As for the Appleton police chief: if we get this bill passed, as soon as I get my permit I'm driving to Appleton and doing a rolling stop at a stop sign in full view of a police officer.
I've always dreamed of being able to afford to retire early.
Strings
Member
Heck Dick... just have a burnt out headlight, so you're not actively DOING something. Spoon and I are planning on goin' up every week or so: I wouldn't mind having Chief Dip buy us both new bikes... 
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
Lots of scared little men end up in high political office. I really don't want to know what they're trying to compensate for.
Monkeyleg
Member.
"I wouldn't mind having Chief Dip buy us both new bikes..."
If an Appleton police officer pointed a loaded gun at you for no other reason than you being a permit-holder, I think you could buy more than a couple of new bikes.
I think you could buy a Harley dealership with the money you'd win from a lawsuit.
If an Appleton police officer pointed a loaded gun at you for no other reason than you being a permit-holder, I think you could buy more than a couple of new bikes.
I think you could buy a Harley dealership with the money you'd win from a lawsuit.
Strings
Member
COOL! I'll buy the dealership, and give you a discount on parts 'n' stuff. SOund like a deal?
I REALLY expect that the Appleton police have better things to do than face "Assualt with a Deadly Weapon" charges (and yes, I WOULD press charges)...
I REALLY expect that the Appleton police have better things to do than face "Assualt with a Deadly Weapon" charges (and yes, I WOULD press charges)...
StopTheGrays
Member
Another article with most of the same news. The surprising thing about it though is the lack of anti-gun statements one would expect to find (except for Spencer Black's comments).
http://www.gmtoday.com/news/local_stories/2005/November_05/11092005_01.asp
http://www.gmtoday.com/news/local_stories/2005/November_05/11092005_01.asp
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