Will .277 Sig Fury/6.8x51mm catch on?

I am sure everything contributes and can be correlated but I think your second paragraph covers the main effect. Somebody once figured grains of powder per square inch of bore cross sectional area and got close. Assuming a "high intensity" cartridge with smokeless powder and jacketed bullet.
 
So pricing on .277 Sig Fury FMJ 135gr is $33.95 per box of 20. The elite Bonded is $79.95 per box of 20.

https://www.sigsauer.com/elite-ball-fmj-277-sig-fury.html

https://www.sigsauer.com/accubond-277-sig-fury-hybrid.html

So it's not terrible for the most part. I'm sure hunting ammo would probably be somewhere in between like $35-$45 per box of 20 and probably would be about the same price from just about every other ammo maker, would be my best guess. Not sure if SIG ammo is considered high end or not, never went out to buy any.
 
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I'd like to see some independent testing from a Chrono in the future with this stuff. If I was in the market for this caliber, I may go 20" barrel and call it a day. Should split the difference nicely between the 16 and 24 inch barrel and still be quite maneuverable without sacrificing much.
 
Sig’s muzzle velocity is all screwed up on their standard (non-hybrid) brass FMJ load.

16” barrel at 100 yards 1,750
24” barrel at 100 yards 3,000

I’ve never seen such a difference in velocities over 8” ever.

Misprint!
Energy calculated backwards yields a velocity of 2,750fps.
 
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Could be a typo. But it's kind of nice that they'll list what they reported at 100 yards for bullet velocity.
 
What's with the cute bit about saying "muzzle velocity" and then "@100 yards"?

I saw that too, along with the velocity discrepancy I pointed out earlier. Really gives a person confidence in Sig and a 80k psi bomb going off by one's head when they can't even get their websites information edited correctly.
 
I'm giving SIG the benefit of the doubt on the discrepancies hopefully it'll be rectified. If the ammo has a tendency to go BOOM when it is fired, it will end up being a huge PR nightmare for SIG and could potentially remove them from the US market for a long time.
 
[QUOTE="Hunter 08, post: 12188286, They claim 6.8 Fury has less bullet drop at 1000 yards than 6.5 Creedmoor, I'd like to see that myself.[/QUOTE]

This round has about the same velocity at 800 yards as the Creedmoor has at 600 yards, so that is a pretty good sign that it does. Not sure if that only applies to only the military round or not.
 
[QUOTE="Hunter 08, post: 12188286, They claim 6.8 Fury has less bullet drop at 1000 yards than 6.5 Creedmoor, I'd like to see that myself.

This round has about the same velocity at 800 yards as the Creedmoor has at 600 yards, so that is a pretty good sign that it does. Not sure if that only applies to only the military round or not.

Yeah that's what I'm kind of curious about. Hopefully more ballistics will be available soon with both the standard round and 80K PSI round comparison.
 
So this round is a high pressure 270-08, I’m kinda shocked this wasn’t tried decades ago commercially, minus the 80k psi anyway.

Any firearm will have to withstand the 80k pressure. The scary part to me will be for encores, xp100’s, savage strikers,etc. Somebody will try it, I’m sure.
 
If the unwashed masses (ie. us civvies) can only get watered-down brass stuff I don't see it really catching on. You seem to need to load it to hand grenade pressures to the touted performance. And while metallurgy improves yearly I can't help but think you'll get < 2,000 accurate rounds out of a barrel, maybe a lot less. On top of that I don't believe the claims of performance against body armor. The mil is saying it defeats "all known armor" and anything they can foresee which I expect is already not true, or will be very soon. The arms race between offense and defense has been going on for a few thousand years and never seems to settle long. My suspicion is that the Adept Colossus RF3+ might stop it, and in any even once the ink is dry on the purchase order someone will develop armor designed to stop it. Maybe most folks won't care but that was ostensibly one of the main excuses/reasons for a new round, to face near-peers in body armor. And unless the NFA is repealed I don't think everyone will warm up to shooting this beast unsuppressed. Obviously this is just my guess. As has been mentioned whatever the mil gets usually is coveted by the civilian market but this feels like a niche round. We'll see if even supplants the 5.56 for general military use.
 
I hope so. I want 6.8x51 cases that run 80,000psi to experiment on.
I'm thing neck it down to 6.5 and I'll have a hot 260rem to play with.
I know a guy, nicknamed "260 junkie" thats been shooting 260rem since then late 1980s early 1990s and he cries about how his brass only lasts 3 shots before primers fall out or go in lose.
I figure his loads would be a good starting point for a 260rem turn't up to 70,000 to 80,000psi.
 
If the unwashed masses (ie. us civvies) can only get watered-down brass stuff I don't see it really catching on. You seem to need to load it to hand grenade pressures to the touted performance. And while metallurgy improves yearly I can't help but think you'll get < 2,000 accurate rounds out of a barrel, maybe a lot less. On top of that I don't believe the claims of performance against body armor. The mil is saying it defeats "all known armor" and anything they can foresee which I expect is already not true, or will be very soon. The arms race between offense and defense has been going on for a few thousand years and never seems to settle long. My suspicion is that the Adept Colossus RF3+ might stop it, and in any even once the ink is dry on the purchase order someone will develop armor designed to stop it. Maybe most folks won't care but that was ostensibly one of the main excuses/reasons for a new round, to face near-peers in body armor. And unless the NFA is repealed I don't think everyone will warm up to shooting this beast unsuppressed. Obviously this is just my guess. As has been mentioned whatever the mil gets usually is coveted by the civilian market but this feels like a niche round. We'll see if even supplants the 5.56 for general military use.
That will be easy to check. A 264 win mag loaded to full power lasts about 800 to 900 shots. That's why I don't have one.
The 264 win mag sees about 1 ten thousands throat erosion about every 7 or 8 shots. Your typical full size 30 cal military rifles see 1 ten thousandths of throat erosion after more like 500 to 600 shots. Not counting machine guns. The barrel life of a 7.62x51 non machine gun is expected to be around 5,000 shots.
All one would need to do it get a barrel throat gauge for 6.8x51 and check the throat erosion after each range trip. You will know real quick if barrel life is going to be >1,000 or closer to 5,000.
 
It's a technical curiosity for me. Cool that Sig is pushing the envelope on chamber pressure, but I will live a long and happy life without ever buying one.
 
Rumor had it that no cartridge could be adopted by the Military unless it had a sporting purpose. No idea if that held or holds true today. Far as I'm aware, Sig is the only one that has any rifles up for sale with this. Maybe if Savage had one, I might be inclined to get one. But in an already over saturated market, I don't see a point
 
That will be easy to check. A 264 win mag loaded to full power lasts about 800 to 900 shots. That's why I don't have one.
The 264 win mag sees about 1 ten thousands throat erosion about every 7 or 8 shots. Your typical full size 30 cal military rifles see 1 ten thousandths of throat erosion after more like 500 to 600 shots. Not counting machine guns. The barrel life of a 7.62x51 non machine gun is expected to be around 5,000 shots.
All one would need to do it get a barrel throat gauge for 6.8x51 and check the throat erosion after each range trip. You will know real quick if barrel life is going to be >1,000 or closer to 5,000.
True, but I doubt Winchester was using today's ordnance grade steel with high chrome moly content. In any case I could live with a 264 even if the barrel life were only 1000 rounds. Here for a good time, not here for a long time.
 
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