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Will a .223 stop a Grizzly?

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H&H LOL :D

I dunno, I've seen human skulls, gunshot wounds, and things do not always perform as the textbook, math, or internet says it will.

I think I'll stick with my old fashioned views and agree with Ruark. Use Enough Gun, and use a second bullet.

I figure Mr. Murphy will show up instead of Lady Luck---if I were to take a chance.
 
Velocity = Power. Remeber the little meteor that hit earth long ago. It was small but man was it fast. With the right .223 ammo and rifle, yes you can stop a grizzly.
 
Yes, but the Earth wasn't trying to bite the head off the galaxy the meteor hailed from, too. And the Earth couldn't cover the distance between where it is and that galaxy in 15 seconds to bite that galaxy's head off, also. Sorry, but not a good comparison.

IF all you had was a .223, that's one thing. But to grab a .223 when there are perfectly serviceable .45/70s on the shelf...you may wish a meteor would hit that bear.
 
And, lest we forget, the Earth is still here and that meteor is sitting in little chunks at the Meteor Crater, AZ gift shop for everyone to put on their shelf as a souvineer or on ranchers porches as doorstops. Seen the meteor crater out there (it's not far from here) and while impressive, the Earth still survived.
 
Forget the dinky .223 round and go straight to magnum buckshot (00+) for all you're bear stopping needs!
 
To Spitsbergen? On purpose?

Dude, don't you know it's cold up there?

:D
Naah, it's not THAT cold. Over the last decades ('61-'90) the lowest temperatures in July have been just around the freezing point, with average temperatures around +6°C. That is not yet "cold".

Unless you're coming from a place that (after hearing Lendringser's descriptions) I'd call "boiling hot" during summer. ;)
 
I've posted this on the firing line (I believe) in the past.
I have personally witnessed a .300 win mag 180 gr nosler fail on a head shot to a brown bear.

I'll save all of the gory details but here is the meat of the incident. The bear was shot head on at 30 yards in the tip of the nose.

You see gentelmen when bears are A. Charging or B. Just doing the I'm a cautious bear thing they tend to hold their noses up making the brain only accesable through the point of the nose. They generally do not hold their heads down.
Because of this and the geometry of a bear head (flat on top for the most part) a frontal brain shot is very difficult on a bear as the skull is held perpendicular to the ground making penetration darn near immpossible from the front with anything but the deepest penetrating heavy bullet. Now if the head is at any kind of angle it makes the brain more accesable however the bullet still has to make it through the xigomatic(SP?) process or cheek bones which are massive on a big bear.

In any case at the shot the bear rolled over onto his haunches sat up and chuffed out a huge ball of bloody snot and was gone into the brush all in a matter of 2 seconds or less. (Wounded bears seldom charge at the shot the trouble is usually encountered either following up on a bear in the thick stuff or surprising one in the thick stuff.)

About 5 days later another buddy of mine shot this bear killing it with a .375H&H using a 285gr grandslam through the shoulders at just over 100 yards. A one shot kill by the way. Though he did give it some insurance afterwards.

The reason we know it was the same bear was from the massive wound out the bridge of his nose about 3 inches from the entry. The 180 gr nosler launched at 3000Fps had hit the bear in the nose and instead of traveling straight to the brain encountered the massive bone structure of the nose/skull and was deflected out the top of the nose.

Heck a mere 17 inches more penetration and it would have done some good. On the other hand seldom will a good bullet out of a .375 or .416 or even a .338 not get full penetration on a bruin even after hitting bone.

So here's the gig yes it is techinacally possible to kill a bear with a .223. Not really all that difficult in fact on a relaxed side possing bear just pop him in the ear with a solid and that's it. To STOP a charging bruin with a frontal head shot with a .223 would be darn near immposible. You couldn't turn him with a body shot like you could with an adequate caliber and your chances of.................................................................
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A. getting a bullet in the right place.

B. having that 55gr splinter get through nearly 20 inches of sinus bone and tissue to even touch the brain.

C. Even being able to get a shot off in the first place in any kind of cover are about 1 in a million. But like they said in dumb and dumber "so I guess there is a chance!"

As far as using buckshot Blain I think we've already discussed that one. Dude go get yourself some slugs for that scatter gun and quite trying to make little lead balls into lazer beams. They just ain't going to do it;)
 
Do you think if that bullet was fmj or AP that it would have penetrated more into the bear instead of the 180 gran softpoint? Since softpoint don't penetrate as well, wouldn't a fmj be better for head shots?

boing......No way are those bears in the pics lifesize! If the man in the pics is 6' tall, that would make the bears 12'+ each!!!!!
 
Blain, on anything but a surface which is nearly perpendicular to the path of a bullet, an AP is more likely to deflect than a soft point. That soft point for some reason allows an initial "dig-in".

Once entry is accomplished, of course, the AP will penetrate more deeply because of shape retention.

Art
 
2 things...

One, do NOT use an AR...front sight issues (very old gun/bear joke).

Two, can we go to the "Can I shoot my Glock underwater??" thread?? I just can't bear much more of this.:rolleyes:

-hanko
 
ATTACK of the THREAD THAT WOULDN'T DIE! LOL

Lots of interesting info here, though. I'm always amused at how some AR-15 fans (not referring to anyone here specifically) want their rifles to be the one super magic true sword; long ranged and powerful as a .308, lighter, higher capacity, easier to shoot, better penetrating, yet penetrating less than hollow point pistol rounds, and now it's a bear-stomper too! Yeesh.

A man's got to know his limitations, guys. .223 + Bear in most cases is going to result in a mauled shooter with an AR-15 wrapped around his neck. YES, it's possible, but when you're dealing with something than can easily kill you, it's best not to take those kind of chances.
 
Nightcrawler, LOL! I wonder tha myself. How is it that a bullet that will not overpenetrate through drywall suddenly becomes a grizzly stopper? You know, here we are in America. Even in the most gun unfriendly states, there are perfectly good Marlin .45/70s that cost a fraction of what an AR costs. Hmmmm...and you can get a Marlin Guide Gun in Cali. But not an AR. Maybe that's why they have a bear on the flag--bada-bump-bing! I just flew in from Arizona and boy are my arms tired! But why would anyone of sane mind even try to shoot a grizzly with a .223 if they could have had a tunnelbore for pete's sake?! Me, I'd be all about .45/70 and Buffalo Bore ammo. And a .454 Casull handgun with Buffalo Bore ammo.
 
Big Bears equal Rhinos and Water Buffalos in the DANGEROUS/HARD TO KILL equation.

Hardest hitting gun you can get is the medicine.

.375 H&H is OK, .458 Winchester is better, .416 Rigby is better yet!

20MM Canon? .....Well if you can get one.......
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Sir Galahad, I'm working on the specs for a drywall/sheetrock/plywood armor vest, to protect against AR-15 and similar carbines with their ammo that apparently fragments with such reliability that people feel comfortable using it for home defense in thin-walled apartments.

Now, imagine a GRIZZLY with a sheetrock armor vest! YIKES! :eek:
 
Lookin' at all this ya-yahing around about .223 and Ol' Griz, it seems to me that the more practical question is whether a semi-auto .223 will kill a grizzly before that grizzly can kill you.

I'd say your odds are between Slim and None, and Slim left town. Using a pipsqueak cartridge against heavy-boned, dangerous game is somewhere in the realm of "dumber'n'dirt". It can all too easily be a one-time event.

Now, somebody could stand off at a distance and salivate the bruin and then run away and survive and there'd be a dead grizzly. I really hope that's not anybody's idea of reality.

Art
 
There are two different kinds of bears in the woods. The first kind is the one that's eating at your bait stand and presenting its broadside to you. THIS KIND of bear can be killed with an arrow. A .223 might not be ideal, but it would work. It has only a few inches to penetrate to get to the heart/lung area.

The second kind of bear is the one that's charging you. THIS KIND of bear is facing you with an amazing array of lethal weapons, and in order to kill it you'll need to either hit the brain (not easy at all) or cut through several FEET of bone, muscle, skin, fat, etc. to get to the same heart/lung area. This kind of bear is also wired on more juice than your average PCP addict, and can keep going even with big holes in its heart. It seems to me that a .223 would not be too good a medicine against bear #2.
 
that a .223 would not be too good a medicine against bear # 2

But if you do try it, be sure to have a friend catching it on video from a distance...so we can settle this! :)
 
I guess this post has broken down into the old,, Theroretically possible realm vs Common sense.

Oh and to finsih my story!!

(the first one)

Bubba survived! He was helicoptered to Anchorage anbd upon recovery he imediatly replaced his .223win double rifle with a suitable Double in .223wssm!!!!

Now we can start the velocity over bullet diameter and weight post...:D

I feel sorry for all of these bears out here with .22 caliber flesh wounds and buck shot under the skin.;)
 
Nightcrawler, LOL! That vest sounds like a winner! Paint it black and stencil the word "tactical" on it and you can charge an extra $100 for it. How about taking it to the next level? How about wattle-and-daub APCs?
 
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