Is ballistic an opinion???? The underestimated 30-30 against grizzlies...

[Twud]

If I showed up for a fishing trip in Alaska and in known bear country, I'd expect my guide to be backing me up with at least a 375. A lot of rounds might do it, but a 375 will do it. It's impractical to carry any long gun and still handle a fly rod.
A man would have to be an absolute fool to think he's gonna stop a griz or brown with a 30-30. All you're gonna' do is piss him off even more.
I really don't understand this marginal round mind set. Lions with a 270 and Grizzlies with a 30-30. Use enough gun to do the damn job properly.
I think I might try an Elephant hunt with a 17 HMR.
Idiotic

 

[saturno_v]

has been done in the past several time..grizzly with a 30-30....is not coming from me but from older hunters....


If one day we will have a portable 50 BMG one day I bet it will suddenly decome "necessary" to kill bears...and the 375 will be considered anemic...

 

[R.W.Dale]

If we are going to have a portable 50 BMG one day I bet it will suddenly decome "necessary" to kill bears...and the 375 will be considered anemic...

A 5.56x45 round from a M16 in the right place could probably disable a Hind helicopter gunship when it's sitting on the tarmac. But when it's circling your foxhole like a giant buzzard you'll wish you had a 40mm bofors within easy reach.

Mankind will never hear about 30-30's failures to stop grizzlies! You'll only hear of the successes. That other group didn't quite make it to the OLD part.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

You still hunting with the .50 BMG? The rest of us have gone to 20mm.

 

[ar10]

I've never had a problem getting 30-06 or .308 FMJ rounds. The 30-06 comes from CMP, (Greek ammo), and the .308 comes from Natchez, "NAT0 7.26 BALL M80", and I've been buying it for a little over 2 yrs noiw.

 

[saturno_v]

As i said before, one alaskan that has been there and done that told me that for defense he trust more his Remington 7600 pump action 30-06 with the extended 10 round magazine than a slow bolt action 375 where you have max 3 slow rounds..

He thinks quantity Vs quality.....lol..opinions vary....

 

[saturno_v]

Here you go from the Winchester catalog, 30-06 in FMJ

http://www.winchester.com/products/...?symbol=USA3006&cart=MzAtMDYgU3ByaW5nZmllbGQ=

 

[R.W.Dale]

Here you go from the Winchester catalog, 30-06 in FMJ

NOW walk into a store and find it on the shelf.

Most 30-06 commercial ammunition is of the SP hunting type. Again remington loads 19 different bullets for the 30-06 only one of those is a FMJ

Winchester loads 14 different 30-06 loads and only one of those is FMJ

Again go find either on the shelf somewhere.

As i said before, one alaskan that has been there and done that told me that for defense he trust more his Remington 7600 pump action 30-06 with the extended 10 round magazine than a slow bolt action 375 where you have max 3 slow rounds..

That must mean that my remington 7615 police pump in .223 is three times better for Grizzlies than that 7600 when I use a 30rd mag.

Whodda thought .223 effective against bears.

GEEZ what are you gonna come up with next? That dogs can't look up.

 

[JohnKSa]

But I will humbly dispute accepting an 8-inch drop from POA

I can't find a really good trajectory chart for the LeverEvolution round, but it looked like it was only about 5" down at 250 and was figuring the 8" based on 3" high at 100 + 5" low at 250.

Anybody got a DECENT trajectory chart for the round? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[plumberroy]

check out this link about a 20" barrel ought to be grizzly medicine
http://www.gokart.net/shop-utopia/mccann/rifles/458garand/458garand.html
Lets face it, few of us spending the money to traval to alaska are going to pick a 30-30 as our first choice
It is more likely to stop a griz than a handgun plus it is easier to hit your target
If you live up north and that's all you got It is better than a sharp stick [I'd shoot 170-180 gr hard cast flat point bullets]
after reading this thread then looking up a grizzly's speed, I think if I had the money to do it I would have a gunsmith shorten a good over/under 12 ga get both barrels to put both slugs close to the same point of aim at 20-30 yard put a simple rugged set of sights on it and a sling, and shoot benneke magnums or dixie slugs shots over 30-40 yards are going to be hard to convince someone of self defence and a bear can cover 40 yards in 2 seconds you will be lucky to get 2 AIMED shot off
Roy

 

[saturno_v]

That must mean that my remington 7615 police pump in .223 is three times better for Grizzlies than that 7600 when I use a 30rd mag.

Whodda thought .223 effective against bears.

That is bit of stretch for an extrapolation....

You still need a certain minimum penetrating capabilities......you are not going to drop a bear with a Ruger 10/22 and a 100 round magazine....


I think 11 rounds of well placed 30-06 rounds are a hard medicine to digest even for a bear...IMHO

BTW several rounds of 40 S&W killed a tiger last week.....

 

[Matt304]

Saturno_V:

BTW several rounds of 40 S&W killed a tiger last week...

Oh no, I can see the thread coming already. Something like, "The underestimated .40S&W against Tigers".

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Saturno_V:

BTW several rounds of 40 S&W killed a tiger last week...

It was all the tiger's fault. He shouldn't have reached for his ID card when the cops told him to stop.

 

[saturno_v]

Oh no, I can see the thread coming already. Something like, "The underestimated .40S&W against Tigers".

While stopping a tiger with a .40 S&W is rather an unusual situation, I think the 30-30 was used a lot in Alaska before the advent of the field cannons.....

 

[dstark]

The bears got harder to kill. I think Lewis and Clark killed grizzleys with their muskets too, but I wouldnt feel safe out there with one of those.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I think Lewis and Clark killed grizzleys with their muskets too

They killed them with rifles, mostly .54 caliber round-ball rifles, not muskets. And they tried to confront them as a group, one man firing while the rest held their fire, then firing in sequence, hoping the first man had reloaded by the time the last man fired.

And Lewis remarked of the "White Bear" (as he called the grizzley), "I confess I do not like the fellow."

 

[Cosmoline]

A man would have to be an absolute fool to think he's gonna stop a griz or brown with a 30-30. All you're gonna' do is piss him off even more.

Nonsense. A great many of the largest brown bears on the planet have been taken with a .30-30 or less. They're not bullet proof. Of course, nowadays we have more potent rifles so it makes sense to carry something with more punch if you're going to take a rifle. But as between a .30-30 carbine and a .44 Mag handgun, I'd go with the carbine any day.

I think the 30-30 was used a lot in Alaska before the advent of the field cannons.

It certainly was.

 

[Cosmoline]

They killed them with rifles, mostly .54 caliber round-ball rifles, not muskets.

Actually, they used a mix of weapons. I'm actually reading a book about L&C and the griz right now. Some of the "white bears" put up a big fight or ran off a long ways before dying. They came to respect the ferocity and toughness of the animals, certainly. The main observation was that only a brain pan shot would put one down fast. Any other shot, through the "lights" or heart, was insufficient to do it quickly.

It's called "Lewis & Clark Among the Grizzly"

The .30-30 would have outclassed anything the expedition carried in killing power.