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I have been trying to find reloading data for an old shotgun. Shotgun in mind is the 10 gauge version of the Winchester 1887. I have found a few loads for the old 10 gauge in an article about blackpowder shotguns.

109 grs Fg and 1 ounce shot (light load)
109 grs Fg and 1 1/4 ounce shot (normal load)
122 grs Fg and 1 1/2 ounce shot. (heavy load)

Would these loads be a safe load for the 1887? These loads were "general", article didnt say anything about what kind of gun it was meant for.

Im totaly green when it comes to blackpowder shotguns...
 
you may want to look at some of the loads from the companies that produce then specially for CAS shooting.

may be you can get infomation directly from the companies by asking questions concerning liability using their rounds.
or just come right out and ask what powder amount is being used.

i do know that most shooter use black powder in these shotguns.

wish i could be of more help...

good luck

gizmodog
 
That load sounds good enough for me in the MLAIC department..... As for hunting Ill most likely use it to hunt the European Roe Deer and Lynx. That means that I have to copy the power of the 12-70, that would be the 12 2-3/4 in english I guess. Hopefully a little more than that. Its so much fun when you outperform something with BP guns.

The action of the 87, is it a kind of strong action or questionable? I dont think J.M. Browning designed a weak action, but nevertheless....
 
Thank you Fingers... Nice to know if you are likely to blow your nose of.

Dick Dastardly helped me out on the hull question. Paper hulls are not likely to find. And if they are found you would have to pay both your arms and at least one leg. Brass is no longer arround. So I just have to go for plastic.

Next step would be to make a shotmaker. I guess thats going to be a try and fail project. But it has been done before, so I should be able to make one myself. If not, you`ll hear from me soon enough.
 
Plastic hulls are fairly easy to acquire but you will have to cut them down to about 2 7/8" to prevent excessive pressure in the short chambered Winchesters. The 1901 10 gauge was proofed for smokeless powder but the 87's were not. My load for my '87 was 90 grains of 2f Goex, 1/8" card wad, 1/2" fiber wad, 1 1/4 oz shot, overshot card and roll crimp. I could probably handle more recoil from heavier loads but the people running the timers at CAS matches would not like me very much.:)
 
I've got an old Greener 10 gauge double. Since it's a very old gun, I shoot very light loads in it. My load is a Lee 7/8oz shot dipper of Pyrodex, an overpowder card, two fiber cushion wads, then the same dipper of shot. I know that's a load that would embarrass a 20 gauge, but it still knocks down the knock downs in CAS. I use plastic hulls and trim to an overall length of 2.75 inches.

I'm sure you've already done this, but just in case please have a gunsmith check out your '87 before shooting it, even with black powder loads.
 
Yes, Ill have the gun inspected before testing it. I dont want to be there if that thing blows up. If its in good condition I think its going to be a good roe deer gun.....
 
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