Winchester 231 & WSF for 9mm
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CZ57
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If you are going to load 9mm toward the max loads listed in your data, WSF will give you higher velocity at lower pressure than 231. Another good choice is Ramshot Silhouette that was formerly WAP. I've used it with very good results in 9mm using the Rem. 124 gr. JHP. Very low flash, excellent accuracy with velocity potential about like WSF.
Jim Watson
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Agreed, WSF shows higher velocity than 231.
Is that what you need?
What else are you looking for out of a different powder?
Is that what you need?
What else are you looking for out of a different powder?
fecmech
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I can't comment on the 231 as I did not use it with 147's but wsf and 147 cast went together like bread and butter for me. Soft shooting, and up to 1000 fps with very good (2-2.5" 25 yd groups) out of my Browning Hipower.
RustyFN
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I haven't used any of these powders yet. I would appreciate it if you could tell me where you think Titegruop fits in with those powders mentioned. I have experience with Titegroup and HS-6 with 9mm.
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CZ57
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Rusty, I'll let the guy you're addressing that to answer your question, but I'll tell you that HS-6 is an excellent powder for high performance 9mm loads. One that you guys might not be aware of is AA#7. This is exactly what it was formulated to do. And it does very well with excellent accuracy at higher velocity if that's what you need. In 9mm, I build two types of loads, defense loads and those that give identical performance for practice.
RustyFN
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CZ, that was addressed to anybody that wants to comment. Thanks for your reply and I will look into some of these other powders.
Rusty
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Side by side AA#5 outdid HS-6 for me. WSF gave almost as much velocity for slighty less recoil and equal accuracy. WSF is my favorite 9MM powder now after years of AA#5. I am talking about fun, safe range loads and not defensive or fullout max loads. Us wieners need good loads too.
I have a Ruger PC9 carbine that I will be reloading for plinking and target. I will be using a plated bullet so I need to keep velocity at reasonable levels. I am leaning toward using the heavier 147g bullet because I will gain about 200more FPS from the carbine. Thank you all for the recommendations I will have to try some of the powders mentioned.
CZ57
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Rusty: my experience predates the SAAMI lowering in pressure for the 9mm and the creation of +P for 9mm. In my SPEER #11, there is load data for their 115 gr. JHP and HS-6 that achieved 1315 FPS from a Beretta 92. I don't know the actual pressure, but now it would probably be +P, but not above, and is one of the faster published loads you'll come across.
357: AA#7 should put you right in the ball park. The max load they show for a 145 cast bullet load runs 1052 FPS @ 29,500 PSI from a 4" test barrel. That's 5500 PSI below the max for standard pressure and you will see some increase in velocity with the 16" barrel: http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/...ddata/355Cal(9mm)/9mm 19 P pages 91 to 92.pdf
I don't use plated bullets, but from what I see, most guys that do use cast bullet load data. This should provide a load similar to what you seek and the pressure is low enough to provide plenty of safety margin.
I'll edit to add something you already know. Be sure to work up the load from the start charge.
357: AA#7 should put you right in the ball park. The max load they show for a 145 cast bullet load runs 1052 FPS @ 29,500 PSI from a 4" test barrel. That's 5500 PSI below the max for standard pressure and you will see some increase in velocity with the 16" barrel: http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/...ddata/355Cal(9mm)/9mm 19 P pages 91 to 92.pdf
I don't use plated bullets, but from what I see, most guys that do use cast bullet load data. This should provide a load similar to what you seek and the pressure is low enough to provide plenty of safety margin.
I'll edit to add something you already know. Be sure to work up the load from the start charge.
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If you want velocity you can push the Plated Ranier 115 Gr. RN up to 1400+ FPS in a carbine with good results and 1300+ FPS from a 5" barrel with no problems with AA# 5. ( I don't load that hot for normal range shooting) WSF will do close to that and HS-6 can do it as well. I much prefer AA# 5 to HS-6, but that is me. AA# 5 stays clean over a wider range than HS-6 and I know it can be very accurate over a wide range. I have not proved or disproved that with HS-6. I am not a Tightgroup fan, but it will work for reasonable velocities in the 9MM. I have not tried it in the 9MM and do not know if it is accurate there, but some people say it is.
AA# 7 should top AA# 5 in velocity for the 9MM although I have never tried it. I am not interested in pushing the 9MM that fast for range shooting. I would definitely try it if I was.
AA# 7 should top AA# 5 in velocity for the 9MM although I have never tried it. I am not interested in pushing the 9MM that fast for range shooting. I would definitely try it if I was.
WSF gives good velocities and accuracy with 115gr and 124gr jacketed and plated bullets in 9mm. 5.3gr WSF under a Montana Gold 115gr FMJ is one of my favorite loads for my CZ 85C. (According to the Winchester [Hodgdon] Lloading manual, this is about 28,000 psi.) It averages around 1,130 fps with extreme spreads of about 40 fps. The max load is 5.7gr.vwith 115gr FMJ.
Other folks say they have had good accuracy with WSF and 147gr bullets, but I've never tried the combination myself.
For 124gr FMJ, I use 4.9gr WSF for about 1,060 fps.
Reduce these loads by .3 gr when using plated bullets.
I load all my 9mm at just slightly shorter than the maximum length that will feed reliably without contacting the lands. Shortening OAL will dramatically increase pressure.
Chris
Other folks say they have had good accuracy with WSF and 147gr bullets, but I've never tried the combination myself.
For 124gr FMJ, I use 4.9gr WSF for about 1,060 fps.
Reduce these loads by .3 gr when using plated bullets.
I load all my 9mm at just slightly shorter than the maximum length that will feed reliably without contacting the lands. Shortening OAL will dramatically increase pressure.
Chris
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