Winchester 94 HELP

[hillbilly scholar]

I hope someone can help, I found this at a yard sale and bought it in this condition, the lever will not go all the way closed.
I disassembled it looking for something obviously wrong, but didn't find anything. So i gave it a good scrubbing and put it back together and still doesn't work right.
So i took some pictures to see if ya'll could help

any ideas?
If you need to see a picture of anything else just ask

 

[NCsmitty]

Welcome to THR, hillbilly scholar.

Perhaps the bolt has something that's preventing it from closing fully, and that would keep the lever from locking up properly. Look for a broken extractor, or something that may be causing the problem.
Maybe someone will have a more knowledgeable take on the problem.


NCsmitty

 

[MutinousDoug]

Well, from the pictures shown it looks like the lever is closed before the bolt is locked? Something bent there?
Just guessing?

 

[Tomcat47]

Post top view assembled ....

 

[hillbilly scholar]

I don't have it together right now, but with it assembled the pin that holds the lever to the bolt lined up perfectly with the hole to drive it out of, does it go past there to complelty lock up? I can post a picture from the top with it all together tomorrow

 

[Tomcat47]

You have a mystery for sure at the moment....

Look closely at the ejector too....some times they get fouled up and kinda push back on the lever...

Will check out pics tomorrow...Good find anyway , good luck

And Welcome to THR!

And take a look at this: http://knol.google.com/k/h-l-publishing/winchester-model-94-rifle-explained/f03ynyjzei4d/3#

You may see something out of place. You can see a lot of pics, and you can download the E-book for $8 bucks!

 

[hillbilly scholar]

Thank you for the link to the ebook, VERY informative looks like it is a Pre-64
This thing is really turning into a head scracher, but i did learn that the lower tang comes out.

Also, does anyone have the measurement from the lower tang to the upper where the stock bolt goes in? Just wanna check if its bent there, the stock goes on and off very hard.

 

[rcmodel]

The lower tang is fine if the stock goes on and is tight.
It's supposed to be snug.

lined up perfectly with the hole to drive it out of, does it go past there to completely lock up?

The bolt, and the pin should be well forward of the hole when the lever is closed. You should have to open the lever about 7/8" before the pin aligns with the hole.

The problem is, your lever is bent through the trigger guard area.

Look at the picture near the bottom of this page:
http://www.castbullet.com/misc/tdown.htm

Try enlarging it, then print it out and throw a straight-edge on the lever picture.

rc

 

[simmonsguns]

RC's correct, your lever's bent. it's not a hard fix but it's important for lock-up and it does happen a lott.

 

[Jaxondog]

The lever is already hitting the stock, so if the stock is on tight and straight, your lever is bent. Not much but surely bent. Should be a cheap fix.

 

[rcmodel]

and it does happen a lott.

The mystery to me is how does it happen a lot? Or even once?

I can imagine bending them forward> with them open all the way.

But how the heck could you bend them the other <way?
They will only go so far closed without hitting the stock & tang.
A heavy impact to the guard would bend them the other way> too??

I'm just mystified how they could get bent that <direction with them open>, or <closed??

rc

 

[Old Dog Man]

Bent lever on 94

Where there is a will, there's a way. Some people can do some strange things, had one just like that in my shop a few years back. Not as old a model as that one but bent like that. Al

 

[hillbilly scholar]

thanks for the help ya'll, looks like that was the problem, i've been bending it alittle then reassemble it and test, i've got it back far enough that it will push the button to let it fire, but not far enough that the link plate will stay closed.
Is there an easier way to bend that thing?
I have been wraping it in a soft cloth, laying it on a piece of wood, and whacking it with a large rubber mallet

 

[shiftyer1]

An easier method would probably have you trying to bend BACK the other way You could maybe put it in a vice and use leverage to bend it. BUT I REALLY WOULDN'T DO THAT!!!!!

If you don't want to buy a new lever, just beat it back in place as your doing It's probably not the best way but if u got the patience it's the cheapest way I know of.

 

[rcmodel]

I would bend it in a vice.

Use two blocks of wood under the front straight section and under the solid part of the loop just behind the trigger guard.

Then another block of wood on the other side under the guard loop.

When you tighten the vice, it will bend the guard curve back where it came from.

A vice is much more controllable then a hammer!

rc

 

[shiftyer1]

ur right rc......i was thinking more of putting it in a vice and using elbow grease to bend it. Didn't think about ur method

 

[FROGO207]

One of the ways to bend it like that would be someone trying to chamber a 32 Win Special round. Then not stopping when it started to bind up. Someone that was a friend of a friend did it once and I made him get a new lever rather than bending the old one back. Figured if he spent some cash on it he might be more careful about what he bought for ammo next time.