Winchester '94 vs. Marlin 336

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I use to shoot IHMSA and still have a set of steel targets that I use out at my range, chicken @ 50 Meters, pig @ 100 meters, turkey @ 150 meters and the ram at 200. After shooting these with open sight handguns for years an open sight rifle is a piece of cake, all it takes is practice.
 
I've never owned a 336 or a 94, but paper plates with irons at 200 yards isn't that tough if you're a decent shot with iron sights. I've shot 10 for 10 on an 8.5x11 sheet of notebook paper using a Yugo underfolder and irons. I did shoot a few sighters first though.

Most people absolutely suck when it comes to notch and post type sights. If I could make your challenge to random shooters I have no doubt that 90% of them couldn't do it.

When I use iron sights, I keep both eyes open and focus on the front sight with my eyes lined up on the target. In other words, my eyes are converging on the target, but the right eye at least is focused on the front sight. It's not natural, but it can be done and it does work.
 
Sorry I have been out of the debate, but I had to go mow the lawn. lol

But have you tried using them at 200 yds. That's amuch diffrent challenge than 25 with a .22
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I have never tried, but I am going to do it, and when I do I will post it here. Then after that I will shoot the tomato paste can at two hundreed yards. Why? Because people don't think I can.

As a wise man once said "all it takes is practice"!

I am glad you iron shooters showed up to the debate, I was begining to feel like I was in the middle of a circle and everyone was beating me with an ax handle.:D
 
I've been away since post 2, and look what's happened. Third page already. :scrutiny:

I'm hopelessly behind reading now. Geez. I'll never get caught up.
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From just scanning quickly, my hypothesis is this is heading for the same outcome as 9mm v .45 acp: stalemate.

But I'll hang back reading for a while longer, maybe it'll be settled by then.

And if Win wins, I'll just admit my mistake, sell my 336 & find a good Winchester.

< ... thinks about that for a minute ... >

Naw. Never mind. :D
 
When I use iron sights, I keep both eyes open and focus on the front sight with my eyes lined up on the target. In other words, my eyes are converging on the target, but the right eye at least is focused on the front sight. It's not natural, but it can be done and it does work.
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I have done that with a red dot, but never irons. I will be trying this the next time I shoot. Thanks for telling me about it elmerfudd.
 
Let me set the scene for you; your tree stand in the Green Mountains of Vermont, in late Sept., and a breeze is blowing. The body does what the body does, it starts shivering, do you hear that sound? sounds like a steel jar full of change! Thats your Winchester. The jig is up, you might as well go home and warm-up. :D
 
I have both a pre64 Winchester and an older Marlin 336 w/microgrove barrel. Shooting them head to head the Marlin will shoot better for me. That said most kills of whitetail for me are at 50 yards or less. Dense brush close range shooting are what this rifle cartridge was designed for as well as being able to load with either smokeless or black powder by almost anyone around their campfire. Either are serviceable, Winchester is lighter but the marlin does clean easier and "feels" better to me when using it. BTW all I use are Irons on both.

GREAT THREAD!!!
 
As for the sighting explanation I have used this procedure to help a couple of my friends overcome poor sighting of their handguns. Something about an eye that in dormanant and will fool you if aiming with one eye only. It does really work after some practice.
 
Getting off the OP in my thread. lol

in late Sept
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Heck its still 75 degress here.:neener: I love cold weather and can always put more cloths on. Problem solved no more shivering.:neener:

I remmember hunting with my older brother once and it was so cold we went over a hill and the wind was freezing my eyeballs over! No joke, my brother looks at me and says " this is where you seperate the men from the boys", lol.

another time we went and for a coat he was wearing a Iowa Hawkeye starter coat. One of those thin ones you wear in the fall. Weather has never bothered me any. I don't care much for heat, but what are you going to do?

I was once told Iowa can have the most exteme weather in the world or the states at anytime. I can't remember which, but it can be 30 below or 120 degress Fahrenheit and humid as hell.

We always wore our football cleats to break them in for the coming season. yes in the winter timean no matter how deep the snow and ice.

I don't know why I told you all this stuff, but I guess I like to ramble.:D
 
Clint C said:
Sorry I have been out of the debate, but I had to go mow the lawn. lol



I have never tried, but I am going to do it, and when I do I will post it here. Then after that I will shoot the tomato paste can at two hundreed yards. Why? Because people don't think I can.

As a wise man once said "all it takes is practice"!

I am glad you iron shooters showed up to the debate, I was begining to feel like I was in the middle of a circle and everyone was beating me with an ax handle.:D
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I'll hold ya to this


Ok but you gott be honest and report your misses too, or better yet start out small and compete in the 50. Yard portion of my centuy match
 
took me three shooters to hit a ram at 300yds with the 45-70 with leverutions. My winchester stuff was harder (got the height, but the barrel covered the target at that distance).

Drilled a woodchuck target first 3 shots at 80 yds, learned I can't focus on the sights once the sun sets.
 
Get both. They're inexpensive enough, and quite plentiful. I bought my 80's Marlin 336 w/case for $125. I bought two mid 70's Winchester 94's for $200 each, and one early 90's Model 94AE for $225. All of these purchases were made within the last four months.

.30-30 is still available too, at least around here. Everyone seems to be out of pistol rounds and rifle rounds like .223, but the old .30-30 is still on the shelves.
 
What I find is that my vision is just much better with both eyes open and I have a much better sense of where the target is. While it's much easier to just close one eye and line up the sights and the target I find that my accuracy is not nearly as good as with both eyes open.
 
The 336 is the better rifle. How come? Cuz I have one. Seriously though, I have the 336 and my friend has a Winchester. I think it's a 94, but I'm not sure. It's a 30-30 and it says, "Ranger" or something similar on it. Isn't that a 94? Anyway, my 336 just looks and feels like a lot more gun.
 
I'll hold ya to this


Ok but you gott be honest and report your misses too, or better yet start out small and compete in the 50. Yard portion of my centuy match
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You bet, Your competition sound like a lot of fun! I had started one just like it, but it was for 30-30 only. Had a huge response, but only a few people compteted. I have integrity, so don't worry about me cheating at anything and will give a full field report. A fellow THR member has a web sight with firearm reviews and I told him I would do some rifle reviews. so this will be perfect for that.
 
Marlin 94 repro? NO SUCH THING!!! Marlin has always made them, even tho the company has changed hands several times and the production was not continuous.

I will trust a Marlin over a Winchester anytime for all the reason stated. The original Winnie was a great rifle but the later versions were but a shadow of the originals.

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krochus, That Winchester of yours did some fancy shooting in your competition. Are you going to enter a score with a Marlin?:neener:
 
Don't own either one, Marlin or Winchester, but a lever action .30-30 is next on my list. Thanks for starting the thread, Clint. You've shown High Road-style restraint too in response to some non-High Road-style personal attacks, so I commend you.

I'm still forming my opinion on the rifles in question, but I will put a plug in for iron sights. In Army basic training, they take kids off the street and in a week of basic rifle marksmenship instruction, they have to qualify by shooting man-sized sillouette popup targets, with iron sights, at ranges 50 to 300 meters. Given practice I see no reason why anyone couldn't use a lever action in .30-30 with iron sights out to its effective range (or at least ~150m).
 
Thanks, Kansan, I try to keep cool.

Here is something that someone told me and I thought it was pretty neat.

Marlins are great guns especially for beginners, the Winchester is a rifleman's rifle!

If you are around Iowa you are more than welcome to come and shoot a rifleman's rifle.
 
Don't own either one, Marlin or Winchester, but a lever action .30-30 is next on my list.
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They are very addicting, I traded into mine, then a very short time ( maybe a few days) I had another. First one was a model 94, and next was a model 9422. I didn't really care for levers till I got mine, and now I think they are the coolest rifles around.
 
Nematocyst. Thats the best you got? Now you just have to figure out, am I talking about your rifle or your comment.:neener:
 
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