Winchester "Black Talon"--would you use it?
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They weren't that great of round, even during their day. All stigma aside, I'd use something else, simply because there are better choices. They do fetch good money at gun shows though. A friend moved and left me 20 boxes of it in 9mm. I made a goodly chunk when I sold them. Prices tend to run two to three times higher than standard high quality ammo.
gyp_c2
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hmmm...
...take 'em to the gun show and trade for 3x somethin' else...
Some nut will gofer' it...or, be a collector...
...take 'em to the gun show and trade for 3x somethin' else...
Some nut will gofer' it...or, be a collector...
Glockfan.45
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Cousin Mike as stated I have 2 unopened boxes in .45acp. I will gladly trade them to you for $100
. All joking aside I keep them around as a mere novelty. They would make an effective SD round but there are far better rounds on the market today.achildofthesky
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They are still pretty readily available around here in gun and pawn shops...
For about $30.00 a box regardless of caliber for the original black box black talon. I have 4x ea of 44 and 357 mags and a magazine and a half for the 9mm SD pistola handy. Like was said more of a conversation piece or collector item in some circles. I got the mag stuff because I bought 2 marlin limited edition rifles from them and got it for <$20 a box last year.
For about $30.00 a box regardless of caliber for the original black box black talon. I have 4x ea of 44 and 357 mags and a magazine and a half for the 9mm SD pistola handy. Like was said more of a conversation piece or collector item in some circles. I got the mag stuff because I bought 2 marlin limited edition rifles from them and got it for <$20 a box last year.
Tbu61
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I would recommend keeping them as a conversation piece/collectors item.
The Chronology of the Talon is laughable.
1. The "Black Talon" was a marketing success in name and design.
2. The press got a hold of it with clever misinterpretation and malice, thus it became a marketing/legal nightmare.
3. Marketing folks saw promise in the product and changed the name/coloration.
4. It now sells like hotcakes as the SXT (Supreme Expansion Talon)........
The Chronology of the Talon is laughable.
1. The "Black Talon" was a marketing success in name and design.
2. The press got a hold of it with clever misinterpretation and malice, thus it became a marketing/legal nightmare.
3. Marketing folks saw promise in the product and changed the name/coloration.
4. It now sells like hotcakes as the SXT (Supreme Expansion Talon)........
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I'd sell them at a highly inflated price to someone who thought they were somehow special and buy SXTs or TAPs or whatever.
I'd sell them at a highly inflated price to someone who thought they were somehow special and buy SXTs or TAPs or whatever.
PILMAN
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Their going for 50 dollars a box on gunsamerica. I think i'll buy some for collection.
Btw where on earth did people get the idea that it fragments into peices like razors? Wasn't that just a myth? I thought the federal hydrashok were the exact same thing.
Btw where on earth did people get the idea that it fragments into peices like razors? Wasn't that just a myth? I thought the federal hydrashok were the exact same thing.
Darkness
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Eh, I think it all depends...
I don't have a full set of 20 in a box, so I don't intend to sell mine.
I have a couple mags of .45 loaded up for my 1911 and my S&W mod28 that I carry half the time is loaded with them as well. My speedloaders have Hydr-Shoks in them, though.
From what I have heard / read, they are not magic bullets, but have been said to be at least as good as any other.
Anyway, in my case, who ever is getting hit by my shots, if the need arises, is going to catch a Black Talon the hard way. Again, only from hearsay, prosecutors love to talk about evil handloads more than they do about factory ammo.
I don't have a full set of 20 in a box, so I don't intend to sell mine.
I have a couple mags of .45 loaded up for my 1911 and my S&W mod28 that I carry half the time is loaded with them as well. My speedloaders have Hydr-Shoks in them, though.
From what I have heard / read, they are not magic bullets, but have been said to be at least as good as any other.
Anyway, in my case, who ever is getting hit by my shots, if the need arises, is going to catch a Black Talon the hard way. Again, only from hearsay, prosecutors love to talk about evil handloads more than they do about factory ammo.
They still sell Black Talons in S. Africa - not sure if it is the same round as the stuff y'all are talking about, but I used to carry them in my 9mm CZ100. They were really nasty and did a whole heck of a lot of damage. I had to cull an impala with a black talon (all I had on hand) after a car accident once. I would really feel sorry for anyone that got tagged by one of those.
On the legal side, we all know how easy it is for prosecutors to go off the deep end about "overkill". We are only supposed to subdue the attacker - not hurt him - keep that in mind.
On the legal side, we all know how easy it is for prosecutors to go off the deep end about "overkill". We are only supposed to subdue the attacker - not hurt him - keep that in mind.
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I always wanted to come out with a brand of rounds called Kopkillaz.They'd be just regular old hardball but with a dot of "spaceage anti-protective coating" ( Rustoleum) on the tip.I figured that it'd take 2 weeks for every talking head in America to moan about these dangerous rounds and another 3 to make me take them off the market...enough time to sell a blue million of the things.Of course I'd stock a couple hundred thousand away to leak out onto the collectable market...
Since the round was supposedly neutered to protect surgeon hands when digging for it, why not use 'em for defense rather then sell 'em ?
Perhaps the older style was better at tissue damage too. If so, you'd want the best when you're trying to stop someone from killing your family. (Assuming you don't call 911 and plead with the murderer to stop hacking away at your daughter until the cops come.)
Perhaps the older style was better at tissue damage too. If so, you'd want the best when you're trying to stop someone from killing your family. (Assuming you don't call 911 and plead with the murderer to stop hacking away at your daughter until the cops come.)
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