Winchester M-70

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  • new winchester M-70

    Votes: 23 67.6%
  • kimber montana

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • montana rifle co. barreled action and aftermarket stock

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • other

    Votes: 5 14.7%

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sprice

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I want a winchester m-70 type stainless synthetic chambered in 30/06, but I'm not sure what the best one is. Does someone make quality win m70 type stainless synthetic rifles like this? I want it to shoot accurately and be around $1500 or less. I've heard of quality control issues with the montana rifle company; is this true? So it is pretty much between the new winchester m-70's (even though I would like to avoid the fluted barrel), the kimber montana, and the montana rifle co. action and barrel with an aftermarket (probably bell and carlson) stock.
 
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If you want a Winchester then get the Winchester. I have not seen one of the new stainless rifles yet but have heard good things about the new wood stocked versions.

The Kimber Montana is a great rifle in the short actions, but the long action rifles just do not seem to look or feel right to me. That may just be personal preference. If you do get a Kimber do not worry about changing the stock, the factory stock is much better than Bell and Carlson. In fact if I were to go Winchester, I would consider replacing the Bell and Carlson stock that comes on it.

The Ruger Hawkeye in stainless is another option if you want the Winchester features.
 
Buy a new Winchester on gunbroker/auctionarms/gunsamerica, slap on some good glass and be done with it.
I did not like the kimber Montana, but ONLY because of the light front end. They are sure beautiful rifles & I really want one in 284.
I also don't like SIG SHR970's in the field because of this exact same feature, and the 2 I have are honest tack drivers from a bench.
The Bell& Carlson carblite stock is perfect for my hunting, but can in no way shape form or fashion compare with the Kimber stock.
1960's VW bug ( non superbeetle:neener:)to a McLaren F1.......... technology-wise.
 
as jmr said, if you want a winchester then get a winchester. even if i felt there was a far better gun available for less money, you wouldn't be happy w/ it because it isn't what you actually wanted.
 
The Ruger Hawkeye in stainless is another option if you want the Winchester features.

Unfortunately, it's really not. No comparison with the new Winchesters.

No need to go custom or up in price. The new Model 70 is a beautiful rifle with top-notch fit and finish.
 
I would suggest you look around for a used Model 70, sell all the parts except the action, magazine and trigger, and send it off to a quality smith to have a custom stainless steel barrel put on it, and have the smith bed it into a good synthetic stock. I have had 3 rifles (All Model 70's) built this way.

Don
 
If you want the Winchester, get the Winchester. Buy what you want so that you will have no regrets down the road.
 
Like I said, the new Model 70 is a very nice piece. I was really impressed. It seems they've made a goal to make these as well-put-together as any have ever been, and maybe then some.

I'd buy one without hesitation, and keep the extra money it would cost to go custom.

Fluted barrels are not a terrible thing IMO.
 
sprice,

If it must be a 30-06 then it would be between the (FN) M70 and a Ruger Hawkeye. Both have a three position safety that locks the firing pin and control round feed.

The Kimber has those features as well but is built on the 8400 magnum action. I am just one of those who complain about Kimbers decision to chamber the 06 based rounds there and not to extend the neat 84M action.

Handle these rifles and see what you like yourself.

I have a compete battery of pre 64 70's, customs, ZB Brno's etc. I got a Kimber Montana in 308 as I wanted the lighter weight due to my age.
 
Armedbear...
Now your talkin' :)

Get what YOU like and can live with, it aint got to be(how do you like that english) the most accurate or expensive rifle made.

Check out Winchester/FNH Model 70 Stainless billed as the
Extreme Weather SS. 22"-26" stainless, free floated, flutted barrel, and a
Bell and Carlson synthetic stock. :D
 
Seriously, I think Winchester hit it out of the park with the new Model 70s I've seen.

There's one reason to check out the Hawkeye: it will make you appreciate the Winchester even more. The new Rugers are machined rough, the bolts feel really clunky compared to Winchester's silky smooth; the Ruger safeties don't lock the bolt down even in position 3. The Rugers simply do not meet the fit and finish standards of the previous versions.
 
I'll have to agree with you Armedbear, however we still sell a fair number of Ruger rifles.

To each, his own! Seems as though Ruger is following big greens philosophy.
My Opinion Only, holster your weapons. lol hehehe

.....Get a Savage :neener:
 
Just can't get too excited about the Savages.

The ones that look nice, cost more than I'd pay for a Savage.

Nothing wrong with them; they just don't excite me.
 
gga357 is your super grade a new production model 70(fn)?

I got a featherweight deluxe and I have to say thats its a real nice rifle,the action is really smooth and the trigger is crisp.
 
You may be correct on the new Winchesters being better than Rugers, but the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. I owned one made in 2005 that was a POS. From 1964 to 2006 when Winchester closed the doors their quality was all over the place. During that time you definately had a better chance of getting a good rifle going with Ruger. Bad memories fade slowly.

The checkering and wood I have seen on the few new Winchesters I have handled was OK, but nothing to get excited about. If I were looking to buy a new rifle at this time the Winchester would be the first one I would consider. I am really looking forward to seeing one of the new stainless rifles.
 
Actually, the post 64 and pre FN M70's (1965 to 2003) in 30-06 are some of the more reasonable priced ones I see, for the most part.

If I was into that caliber, I can think of a half dozen I would have bought already.

I've only seen the FN M70's from in front of a counter, so I can't really say anything for them good or bad.

The push feed vs control feed is another issue (to some). I've got both, and haven't had any issues per se with either. I lean toward the control feed though, just because I like it.
 
I looked at a new model 70 and really liked it.except it was the featherweight model and I did'nt want the thin barrel
 
you left out the FN's!!! FN makes the 70 for winchester now. Frankly if I were right handed I would own a FN SPR in .308. But alas I am a southpaw and doomed to watch you righties get the cool guns.

I have fired pretty much every generation 70 in either 30-06 or .308. The current model is excellent in both accuracy and quality. I'd skip the high dollar custom models and just spend the extra coin on the optics. The 70 is one of the most accurate guns out of the box. Put a nice Leupold or Nikkon on there and enjoy.
 
Get the Winchester M70! It is a great rifle for the money. Looked at one today, great fit, finish, and feel.
 
The Ruger Hawkeye in stainless is another option if you want the Winchester features.

If it must be a 30-06 then it would be between the (FN) M70 and a Ruger Hawkeye. Both have a three position safety that locks the firing pin and control round feed.



Actually, while the Ruger M77MKII safety set-up looks like a model 70 at frist glance, it is not. The Model 70 safety is all within the bolt cocking piece and locks the firing pin in both safe positions. The Ruger safety is mounted on the receiver and only locks the firing pin in the final bolt lock position. It acts as a trigger safety only in the first position. Plus the Ruger ejector is mounted lower from inside the receiever.

Therefore while cycling loaded rounds to and from the chamber, the model 70s, Kimbers, Dakotas and Montana rifles have a locked firing pin. The Ruger only has a locked trigger mechanisim.
That being said, the Rugers are usually a good bit less expensive. Particularly here in Alaska where the Model 70s have a cult like following.

I owned a couple stainless M70 that were made just before the last time the company went belly-up. They both had accuracy and workmanship issues. the new ones are supposedly better.
I have also had a Kimber Montana It was ok but it too had a couple small hitches that should have been easy to fix had the company been not so hard to deal with. Kimbers initially sold like hot-cakes up here but now they are given away as door prizes due to poor company support and some questionable workmanship on a few rifles.
The Montana's are good rifles.
Rugers are like old pick-ups, everyone in Alaska has at least one.
I have modified a couple commercial Mauser actions with Dakota Model 70 type safeties. Those are kinda neat too.
 
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Would any of you sell your Remington 700 ADL to buy this new SS Model 70? That is what I am considering. I have been wanting a SS rifle. My Remington rusts easily. I also don't like the blind magazine.

Do you think it is that much better?
 
Would any of you sell your Remington 700 ADL to buy this new SS Model 70?
If I had a 700 I would in a heartbeat. The new M70 has a great fit/finish and handles really well. You have my permission to go for it. :D
 
Would any of you sell your Remington 700 ADL to buy this new SS Model 70?

Without the least bit of hesitation.

the new ones are supposedly better.

Night and day. I have always wanted a Model 70, but I've been in the camp that said of Winchester, "Too bad they're not built like they used to be. Wouldn't buy a new one, don't want to pay for a collectible to bang around in the field."

The new South Carolina guns changed my mind. Winchester should have shut down their old plant years ago.

These are beautiful, well-fitted guns with top-notch workmanship, a 3-position safety, really smooth CRF action, and wonderful balance (at least the Featherweights I looked at handle really well).

I'm going to invent a word.

Crappurate.

That's the direction of production rifles, it seems.

"Sure, it's got a bunch of plastic in it, the stock is a POS, it's ugly and finished in the cheapest way we could figure out, but it shoots MOA!" seems to be the motto.

Winchester has turned its back on that trend.
 
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