Winchester mode 1400 value

[Axis II]

Had a buddy text me a near mint Winchester model 1400 and ask how much he should sell it for. I don’t know anything about it but I told him ask $500-600 for his Mossberg 500 pistol grip seeing how people are paying top price.

 

[crestoncowboy]

The model 1400 is the sorriest semi automatic shotgun in the history of semi auto shotguns. I bought 2. One new in box for 200 the other was 150 like new.

I got screwed.

I've never touched one of the budget Turkish semi autos. Id get one of those for 300 before id give 150 for a 140/1400. Ive seen them eat the ejector before they made it through a brick of 100. Ejectors are sold in packs of 3......

Probably a good price to start on the Mossberg btw. That's the advice id give

 

[gpb]

crestoncowboy said.

"The model 1400 is the sorriest semi automatic shotgun in the history of semi auto shotguns"

Is it sorrier than the Winchester 1911SL shotgun? Winchester seems to have a history of making sorry semi-automatic shotguns.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Winchester 1911SL shotgun

I've only read about that one to be honest. Never messed with one. From what I read the problem was mostly with the paper shells swelling at the time and people pointing the shotgun at their head to clear them. But yeah I guess winchester does kind of have a bad reputation on semi autos. But to be fair they had 75 years between the two to get one right. Lol

last year I had 3 of the winchesters (one was a 1300 pump but same ejector design) come to me broken in a week. I haven't gotten 3 of any one gun legitimately broken in any year. Im an industrial mechanic who does auto work on the side and gun work on the side of the side. Not a gunsmith.....All three ate their ejector. There were at least three different ejector designs trying to fix the original problem and all three fail pretty equally. Lol. Two sit on a 1/8 inch pin at the rear and the barrel captures the front.. the other has a screw at the rear.

The one i personally bought new maybe 15 years ago ate the ejector before the 50th round (and possibly 25th. But it was first or second box)on the first day. The second came to me broken. But otherwise like new. And they were a very soft shooting shotgun. Decent looking and decent fitting. Many had winchoke screw in chokes which work well. Light too.

Personally I'd pass (and have done so) all day long on new ones for 200 bucks.

 

[Speedo66]

Some years back while I was at a gun club, someone came through trying to sell a few guns for the widow of a member.

One was a like new 1400 with a vent rib barrel with 3 choke tubes, a slug barrel with sights, and a case. I didn't know anything about that particular gun, but figured for $200 I couldn't go wrong on a Winchester.

My experience has been different, I've put several hundred rounds through it and it has been flawless.

Hope I didn't just jinx myself. lol

 

[crestoncowboy]

Hope I didn't just jinx myself. lol

Take it apart and take a picture of the ejector. So you know which to buy. There are at least 3 and when it is a broke mess it can be hard to tell. Some have a longer snout that goes into the barrel. Some have a different tail end. Maybe yours won't. The 1300 i saw last year was pretty well worn before it did it. Some take longer.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Those two will throw you. Very similar All the others are so dissimilar that they are easy to tell. They run 10-15 bucks and some are still made. There are also several different firing pins (the one pictured and one thats more of a triangle) and at least 2 bridges (which goes under the bolt. Serves as cocking handle and firing pin retainer) . Which will often break and let the firing pin move back too far.....either will cost you 50 bucks to fix. Not still produced. Which is at least double what the gun is worth.

Awful guns. Lol they really are. And I have many guns that people hated. I still hunt with a supermatic 12 guage and a Marlin 1898 12 guage. Lol.

 

[entropy]

crestoncowboy said.

"The model 1400 is the sorriest semi automatic shotgun in the history of semi auto shotguns"

Is it sorrier than the Winchester 1911SL shotgun? Winchester seems to have a history of making sorry semi-automatic shotguns.

I'd call it a tie. One is dangerous to operate, the other has a tendency to fall apart in your hands. They have made a couple good ones, though. The Model 50, and the Super X-1.

 

[crestoncowboy]

One is dangerous to operate

I suppose. But really, most any gun is dangerous to operate if you clear jams by pointing the muzzle at your head. Lol. And they continued to make the 1200/1300/1400/120/140 with the same dang issue for so many years . Lol

 

[Speedo66]

@crestoncowboy

Are these not very good images enough to determine which one I might (hopefully never) need?

Thanks

 

[crestoncowboy]

Are these not very good images

Thats the shorter one. Notice how its actually held captive to the receiver. The longer one doesn't actually get captured by the receiver. It goes into the barrel. The one you pictured is the shorter one in my picture. They are a bit easier to find than the others. But all three are plenty available. I bought a three pack of both of those.

The other one didn't really resemble those. The rear was completely different and mounted via a screw

 

[Speedo66]

Thats the shorter one. Notice how its actually held captive to the receiver. The longer one doesn't actually get captured by the receiver. It goes into the barrel. The one you pictured is the shorter one in my picture.

Thanks, sounds like I might want to buy one to put away.

 

[gpb]

The Winchester 1911SL was dangerous when improperly handled. Unfortunately the design encouraged people to mishandle the gun when clearing a jam which could end in disaster. The gun also was not of a robust design and they had a tendency to pound themselves apart.

I had one as a novelty several decades ago. I was well aware of its flaws and short comings and only used it on limited occasions. I also never loaned it to anyone else to use, I viewed it as too risky.

 

[Speedo66]

Thanks, sounds like I might want to buy one to put away.

Just looked on Ebay, many there. They talk about a 7 1/8" pin type. Would that be the one I need?

 

[crestoncowboy]

Thanks, sounds like I might want to buy one to put away.

As far as the Bridge there was at least two. The one pictured has no screw to hold it in place. The latter (i think they were later. Could well have been first though) ones did. If yours has no screw then you can use either bridge and just forget the screw. Ive confirmed that. I dont know if the non-screw bridge is compatible with a screwed bridge bolt. I suspect it would be. The slot in the one pictured would be round though if it had a screw.


Notice how even though the bridge is on the bolt properly the firing pin has moved back too far. Thats how the ears break off on them.

 

[cocojo]

I bought a used 1400 Mark 2 a few years back. I bought a kit to replace all the springs being the gun was made early seventies. I like the gun and had no issues with it. Its only downfall is the round limit because of the gas system. Other than that no issues. In mint condition I would ask 350.00 to 450.00 pending it has the winchokes with it.

 

[Virginian]

"The model 1400 is the sorriest semi automatic shotgun in the history of semi auto shotguns."
I have to take issue with that statement. I have seen a few 1400 that seemed to work okay, I have never seen an old High Standard Supermatic that worked okay.
When Winchester passed on John Browning's Auto 5 design they incurred a curse that lasted until the Super X Model One, and even that had a known as built flaw.

 

[crestoncowboy]

In mint condition I would ask 350.00 to 450.00 pending it has the winchokes with it.

You need another one?

I have never seen an old High Standard Supermatic

I have a supermatic and have worked on a few more. When adjusted for the correct power via the gas regulation washers they work fine. But only with that load. There weren't a "good" gun by any stretch and they may well jam. But the winchesters break. And stay broke until parts are replaced.

I haven't seen any parts sold in three packs for a high standard. Lol

ETA. The winchester is a light handy shotgun. The high standard is the opposite. Both sub-par shotguns in my opinion

As a matter of fact....those two shotguns made me refuse to buy a semi automatic shotgun for 25 years.

 

[cocojo]

, I wouldnt hesitate buying the gun at all but I have one. There not that bad honestly.