Winchester Model 1890

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I tried posting this on another forum but no one had any answers for me so I figured I'd try here.

My uncle recently bestowed upon me a Winchester Model 1890 in .22LR. So far I have determined it is a standard (not deluxe), case hardened (not blued), 2nd model (adjustable rear sights and takedown screw) with an octagon barrel.

Here is the kicker: apparently in August 1901, the case hardened receiver was changed to a blued version, meaning my gun would have to be from before August 1901, right? But then it gets more interesting: my five digit serial number (52xxx) indicates that it might have been manufactured around 1896-1897 (but online it says prior to some time in the early 1900s those dates weren't kept very accurately). But this rifle is chambered in .22LR. Guess what? They didn't have a .22LR barrel until 1919. What is going on with this gun? Does anyone have any insight? Was it popular for people to switch out to .22LR on their guns when it came out in 1919?

My uncle says he got this from his mother, who was given to her by her father to shoot rabbits and squirrels for meat on the table during the Depression. My uncle has no children and I never intend to sell this gun, it has officially become a family heirloom, regardless of value (unless of course it's a total fake but I highly doubt that).

I am going to try to call Winchester on Monday and talk to a historian. Until then, any historians here have any idea? I would say this gun is from Good to Excellent condition - it still shoots straight and all the parts work. The ONLY work might be to replace the spring in the magazine tube, it's a little weak but it still works.
 
There should be an assembly date stamped on the barrel flat under the magazine tube next to the receiver that will tell you when it was assembled.

It is not unsusal to find serial numbers that don't match assembly dates on the barrel by a year or two.
The receiver was numbered when it was made.
But the receiver might not have had a barrel put on it until some time later when it was needed to fill orders.

It would be sort of unusual to find that old an 1890 chambered in Long Rifle.

Most common were in .22 Short, or .22 WRF then.

So, the best I can tell you is to drive out the small pin (left to right) in the magazine tube band and slip the mag tube out far enough to check under it for the assembly date.

If it is way off in years from the serial number, somebody sometime put a LR barrel and lifter on it.


PS: Be aware the front band also holds a mag tube friction flat spring that rubs on the inner tube, so note where & how it fits before taking it apart.


PPS:
I am going to try to call Winchester on Monday and talk to a historian
Don't bother. They can't tell you a thing.
The Cody Museum in Wyoming holds all the Winchester records that survived now.
The current phone answerer at Winchester doesn't know what an 1890 is!

Cody charges $60 dollars to look it up and send you a letter with any details they find.
http://www.bbhc.org/explore/firearms/firearms-records/

rc
 
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I used to have one in 22 WRF.

I did not know that they even made any 1890s in 22LR. I though they were only short, long or WRF.

I do have a Model 1906 out in the shop that is in 22LR and has many interchangeable parts. It came from a bush village and has all sorts of mixed 1890 and 1906 parts on it...

http://homesteadfirearms.com/appraisals/1890/1890-history.htm

http://www.gun-data.com/winchester_Model_1890.htm

http://twoponies.home.mindspring.com/model_differences.htm

http://twoponies.home.mindspring.com/1890winchester.htm
 
Thanks RC and Float! Y'all have given me a great place to start researching! I'm glad I won't be put on hold to figure out more from Winchester again! lol

I will need to look up some videos on a full takedown so I can inspect and clean it anyway. If this 1890 was truly made in 1897 but was re-barreled sometime after 1919, does the value decrease? I would assume so since it isn't all original, but then again .22LR isn't very common among them...

If I ever get to the bottom of this I will repost here and let y'all know what I find. I will need to check out these links, I've already been to the homestead and gun-data websites, will check out these others. Thanks again RC and Float!
 
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