Winchester Reloading Tool Question

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  1. kBob

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    Was there a Winchester tong type reloading tool with an attached bullet mold that cast a plain based round nosed bullet for the .30-30 rifles?

    If so how were these bullets lubed and sized for use?

    Thanks for any help.

    -kBob
     
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    The old fashioned way to lube bullets was a lube tray with a wax cutter. We stood all bullets on their base in a shallow tray, and pour melted wax into the tray to the top of the lube groove. When wax hardened, we used a round cutter tube, inside diameter matching bullet diameter (like .309" for 30-30) and cut the bullet free. Typical wax was 50/50 beeswax and mineral oil. A little messy 100 years ago they didn't have Amazon to by Alox to make bullet lube.

    As late as the 1960's, Lee advised 50/50 paraffin wax and motor oil, and advised using it as case lube for resizing in addition to bullet lube in the shallow tray. It sucked as case lube.

    I think the Lyman tong was more popular than any other. Mine is a Lyman 310.
     
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    Well I have a Lyman 310 with .30-30 dies.

    I once saw and handled a (oddly enough given the above response) .38-55 Winchester Reloading Tool that had a mold for a flat based bullet forward of the axis screw for the rest of the tool.

    I was wondering if a set was made with something like the 160 grain flat based round nose bullet that lyman offered molds for in the past and if so was there a hole in the handles to size the cast and lubed bullet through.

    Back in the mid 1970s I used a Lee lube and sizer set extensively that consisted of a little steel pan, a stick of lube and a cookie cutter type sizer.

    Messy but made very cheap useable bullets for pistol shooting by a starving College student on the GI bill.

    I do wonder about the Winchester tools with bullet molds though.......

    -kBob
     
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    This was the exact Lee sizing kit I bought in the 70s to lube my .358 cast boolits. And get this- I'm still using it even as we speak! Although I now use rcbs 80008 lube, it's a little harder than the gooey lee stuff that came with the kit.
     
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    This is a brother! Been there done that successfully. If it works, don't laugh at it.
     
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    Years ago (many years) someone or other sold a tool for die-cutting lubed bullets out of the pan once the witch's brew had solidified. It was called Kake Kutter, as I recall. I never bought one, but made my own out of a sacrificial cartridge case.
     
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    Ideal made the Kake cutter along with many reloading tools that were cutting edge for the time.
     
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    I used to make wax gas checks in a similar fashion. Pour it out, let it harden, "cookie cutter" them out. Worked great. Slowed things down a lot, but would stop hard cast .358 (.38 Spl) bullets from leading in a .362ish (.38 S&W) bore at low speed/pressure.
     
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    Those Ideal tools and the Winchesters that had a bullet mould on the end of the handles, utilized a hole towards the back that the lubed bullet was pushed thru to size it. I have one of those for the 38-40 and it works real well.
     
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    Thanks Don,

    I thought I remembered such a sizing hole......but the tool I looked at was about two decades back. Now to find out if they made a .30-30 tool with mold and what grain bullet it produced.

    Great reponses from other folks too.....made me go out to the shop to look for those old Lee pans of goo. Got to say modern tumble lube on Lee designs is neater and less prone to kitchen fires!

    -kBob
     
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    I know that Ideal/Lyman made the 310 tool for the 30 wcf, but I don't recall ever seeing one with the built in mould.
     
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