I saw that video, and the only place I could find it was Cabellas, but I won’t give Cabellas a dime if my money. I just wasted to try the ammo. Ultimately I just kept my Federal HST 124 grain 9mm as a SD load. The train and defend ammo concept is interesting, but in reality needing that close a similarity between a training round and a SD round seems an overreach. At the end of the fight all that matters is whether you hit the target and incapacitated the perp. I just do some practice using my carry round. Yes, it costs more than FMJ, but it is training with the actual ammo you will use. Once you develop the skill you do not need to shoot a high volume of rounds to maintain it.