Wish someone would make a new Tec 9

[Kiln]

I know this is kinda random but does anybody else wish that a company would start making the Tec 9 (or Kimel) again? With modern manufacturing and the improvements in polymers it would be a much better weapon and I love the looks...plus it really burns the anti-gun group's ass when a gun like this is produced by someone. In case you live in a cave and don't know what the Intratec 9mm looks like, here's a pic of one stolen from Google images:

http://althouseonline.com/websitephotos/shootingvideos/tec9.JPG

Just so you know the grip, barrel extension, and ridiculous 50 round mag are optional. Here's a variant of it called the AB10 that was made after the anti gun BS back in the Clinton era:

http://images3.backpage.com/imager/u/medium/29564181/DSC04454.jpg

Another interesting fact is that the designer was George Kelgren, the owner of Kel Tec.

Basically I think that if this same gun were produced with the CNC equipment of today and utilized the modern manufacturing techniques that make many poly guns so great it would be a huge success. What does everyone else think of this?

 

[ugaarguy]

If it was made to take the readily available Glock 9mm mags it would be a 16" bbl & a buttstock away from being the mythical Glock carbine everyone seems to want. It would also be a direct competitor to the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 carbines. It's a neat idea, but I'm not sure how commercially viable it would be.

 

[Kiln]

If it was made to take the readily available Glock 9mm mags it would be a 16" bbl & a buttstock away from being the mythical Glock carbine everyone seems to want. It would also be a direct competitor to the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 carbines. It's a neat idea, but I'm not sure how commercially viable it would be.

Unless Kel Tec produced it, seeing as how the owner of Kel Tec was the one who created both the Tec 9 and the KT Sub 2k carbines his company would be the prime candidate to produce the Tec 9 again. I honestly doubt they ever would but it is an interesting idea to me.

 

[ugaarguy]

If Lone Wolf would ever make their Glock mag AR lowers readily available (and in a pistol lower too) they'd likely own the 9mm carbine market. http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=288
Alternately, if Olympic would sell their Glock magazine lowers AND set them up to run with standard Colt / CMMG / Spikes pattern uppers, then they'd be in the drivers seat.

 

[OARNGESI]

I know what you mean i got a mpa carbine in 45 m10 and a ap9 that was unfired when i got it and a tec 22 there fun range toys but anything more your better off with a glock and acouple 33 round clips

 

[Sam1911]

If it was made to take the readily available Glock 9mm mags it would be a 16" bbl & a buttstock away from being the mythical Glock carbine everyone seems to want. It would also be a direct competitor to the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 carbines. It's a neat idea, but I'm not sure how commercially viable it would be.

Agreed. We do have the Sub-2000 and the Hi-Point 995s at the low end of the price spectrum, and the Ruger PC9 (if you look around for them), and the Beretta CX4 if you've got money to spend, and Uzi carbines and various other semi-auto replicas/adaptations of famous sub-machine-guns, plus of course, all the 9mm AR-15 adaptations and variants out there.

IF the Tec-9 design was rebuilt to make it a good weapon, and it was sold with a buttstock, longer barrel, good sights/scope rail, that might be interesting.

But I think the truth of the matter is that guns of that type were really optimized to be cheap and simple open-bolt sub-guns. When re-conceived as a closed-bolt Title I handgun or rifle, their mag-forward layout is inefficient and inelegant and their cost-cutting features are not appreciated.

Said perhaps another way, when George Kellgren designs a Tec-9 in the 1980s and then goes on to design the Sub-2000 20 years later -- and those two guns do essentially the same thing -- it can be assumed he learned a few things in two decades of firearms design work and applied them to his more modern concepts.

So, what does a Tec-9 look like when it has been updated with better methods and materials and configured to fill a more-or-less practical niche for today's shooters? Well, George thinks it looks like a Kel-Tec Sub-2000.

 

[NG VI]

What on Earth does a 'barrel extension' do anyway? Is it all cosmetic, I can't imagine screwing another length of barrel onto the real barrel would be conducive to good accuracy.

 

[Sam1911]

Well, a barrel extension can be a forward location to safely hold onto a small weapon like that. A big plus with adding the old Sionics suppressor to the Mac-10, for example, was to give the operator a good spot to hold onto it without getting fingers in front of the muzzle.

 

[gpr]

i have fifteen AP 9's....would you like to but one....gary

 

[MachIVshooter]

So, what does a Tec-9 look like when it has been updated with better methods and materials and configured to fill a more-or-less practical niche for today's shooters? Well, George thinks it looks like a Kel-Tec Sub-2000.

This.

Now, if only they'd offer it in 10mm to accept G20 or Witness mags...........

(Are you listening, George?)

 

[Sam1911]

(And round off the lacerating spike of a trigger!)

 

[ugaarguy]

It could also be argued that the Just Right Carbine distributed by ATI / EMF is very similar in form to a Tec-9 carbine that takes Glock magazines. A pistol version would really be a twenty teens update of the Tec-9. The round stamped metal heat shroud is replaced by a quad rail fore end. The stamped sheet steel receiver has been replaced by a forged aluminum unit. The integral plastic pistol grip has been replaced by the ubiquitous AR-15 / M16 part for cost effectiveness & ease of user replacement. One could argue that the current state of quality inexpensive forgings has just as much to do with the receiver & handguard choices as does the standardization of the Picatinny rail.

Get past those 21st century differences, and the JRC is still a lightweight, low cost, forward mag, blow back operated firearm.

http://www.americantactical.us/1727/detail.html

 

[MachIVshooter]

The JRC is more of a flattop M4 that uses Glock mags.

The only mag-forward pistol I'd ever buy is a Hammerli, and there's a reason for it's configuration that (obviously) has nothing to do with cost.